Predestined to Damnation?

Then you agree that those who love their neighbor must logically be elect in spite of a lack of church affiliation and/or "having invited Jesus. . . ?"

 

The parent that sees his children on a sinking ship and "arbitrarily selects" the FEW on the boat to pick up and save -- leaving the rest to die at sea HAS not only chosen who will be saved but has ALSO chosen who will remained doomed.

In a court of law that parent would be charged with murdering the chilldren that were lost -- given the fact that the parent claims to have had plenty of time and resources to "Save them all".

This is impossible to miss.

The Arminian future scenario addresses this point completely.

The Calvinist future scenario that I publshed does the same for the Calvinist POV.

In Christ,

Bob

 

It is quite obvious that some desperately need some lessons in systematic theology. Why come to a debate forum empty-headed?

Cheers,

Jim

 

HEREIN IS GOD'S PREDESTINATION CLEAR AND DEFINED: "If you eat ... you shall surely die!"
God predestined that all sinners would be damned. We were all supposed to be sent into eternal damnation because we all are sinners. Not only because the natural wages of sin is death, but because it is the Divine Will of God. God rules over all - even over sin; He is not ruled by it.

It is amazing grace that we are not all forever lost, but saved. Because God so predestined, that is, from eternity decided, to save His elect through Jesus Christ.

 

God's foreknowledge doesn't follow the future -- it determines the future.

 

HP:
"If one has accepted the Lord as their Savior by the fulfilling of the conditions he has set forth, "

GE:
If one has accepted the Lord as Savior by the fulfilling of the conditions he has set forth, that one has earned salvation by himself. No one is able to. If one accepted the Lord as Savior it is by the will and irresistable unction of the Holy Spirit through Jesus Christ -- by grace and by grace only!

 

Billwald:
"..in spite of a lack of church affiliation ..."

GE:
"I believe in God ..." goes the Confession; "and in Jesus Christ, ... and in the Holy Spirit ...". Then the Confession goes on (as Karl Barth said) and one cannot stop there, but MUST go on and also confess: "I believe in the Church ...". The creation of the Church is the work of the Holy Spirit through Christ -- inevitable and always.

It surprises no one nobody is perfect; why should it surprise us the Church is not perfect? I believe the Church, just as I believe in God, DESPITE everything contrary to it. The only positive why I believe is God and is contained in Him only. That's why I CANNOT HELP to believe the Church of Jesus Christ -- of "Christ's own", as Paul describes it.

And what is more, that's why I do believe the Church, "growing with the growth of Christ" until its day of glorification in the resurrection.

The Church is the final object of God's love in His election.

 

Jim aren't you the one that posted that you have no time to actually quote the Word of God when making a point??

 

I can see the op hasn't studied this and given it a lot of thought. Without Jesus all would be going to hell, all would be predestined to hell, God in His infinate wisdom and love rescued some, and as scripture says, He did it for His own purposes.

 

That makes about as much sense as falling off a log backwards. If God foreknows of sin then He determined that sin. Naaaaaaaaaaa

 

Proverbs 16:4

The Lord has prepared everything for His purpose -- even the wicked for the day of disaster .

John 17:12

While I was with them , I was protecting them by Your name that You have given Me . I guarded them and not one of them is lost , except the son of destruction , so that the Scripture may be fulfilled .

Acts 1:25

to take the place in this apostolic service that Judas left to go to his own place .



Romans 9:22

And what if God , desiring to display His wrath and to make His power known , endured with much patience objects of wrath ready for destruction ?

Romans 11:7

What then ? Israel did not find what it was looking for , but the elect did find it . The rest were hardened .

2 Corinthians 11:15

So it is no great thing if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness . Their destiny will be according to their works .

Philippines 1:28

not being frightened in any way by your opponents . This isevidence of their destruction , but of your deliverance -- and this is from God .

1 Thessalonians 5:9

For God did not appoint us to wrath , but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ .

2 Thessalonians 2:3

Don't let anyone deceive you in any way . For [ that day ] will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed , the son of destruction .

1 Peter 2:8

A stone that cause men to stumble , and a rock that trips them up .

They stumble by disobeying the message ; they were destined for this .

2 Peter 2:3

In their greed they will exploit you with deceptive words . Their condemnation , [ pronounced ] long ago , is not idle , and their destruction does not sleep .

2 Peter 2:12

But these people , like irrational animals -- creatures of instinct born to be caught and destroyed -- speak blasphemies about things they don't understand , and in their destruction they too will be destroyed .

2 Peter 3:7

But by the same word the present heavens and earth are held in store for fire , being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men .

Jude 4

For certain men , who were designated for this judgment long ago , have come in by stealth ; they are ungodly , turning the grace of our God into promiscuity and denying our only Master and Lord , Jesus Christ .

Jude 13

wild waves of the sea , foaming up their shameful deeds ; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever !


( all passages are from the HCSB )

 

He is a God that is Omniscience and is everywhere. Everlasting to Everlasting. He know the end from the beginning. He saw Esau sell his birthright before Esau was ever born. So because he foreknows does not mean He causes it.