President Bush's 2004 Ramadan Greetings

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  1. LadyEagle

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    President's Ramadan Message - 2004
    October 15, 2004


    I send warm greetings to Muslims in the United States and around the world as they begin observance of Ramadan, the holiest season in their faith.

    Ramadan commemorates the revelation of the Qur'an to Muhammed. By teaching the importance of compassion, justice, mercy, and peace, the Qur'an has guided many millions of believers across the centuries. Today, this holy time is still set aside for Muslims to remember their dependence on God through fasting and prayer, and to show charity to those in need.

    American history has taught us to welcome the contributions of men and women of all faiths, for we share the fundamental values of religious freedom, love of family, and gratitude to God. Americans who practice the Islamic faith enrich our society and help our Nation build a better future.

    Laura joins me in sending our best wishes.

    GEORGE W. BUSH

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/ramadan/2004/index.html

    "Islam is a vibrant faith. Millions of our fellow citizens are Muslim. We respect the faith. We honor its traditions. Our enemy does not. Our enemy doesn't follow the great traditions of Islam. They've hijacked a great religion." -- President George W. Bush, October 11, 2002
     
  2. Brett

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    While it is somewhat troubling that Bush appears to have sympathy for Islam, there is no doubt that this is what is best for the war on terrorism. It will only increase Muslim ire if it appears that the United States is fighting Islam, not Islamic terrorism.
     
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    "They've hijacked a great religion"? Worship of the moon god is a great religion according to our "christian president"?

    Not surprising really...this statement does come from someone that is a member of two secret societies...Skull & Bones and the Bohemian club. The moon god and the owl god of the Bohemians should get along well together.
     
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    I though God demanded to be the Only God. I don't see how serving another is good for anything.
     
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    No moon god is worshipped by Moslems.
     
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    Yes it is, some don't realize it. Why is there a crescent moon (and sometimes three stars, too) on nearly every Muslim country's flag? Mohammed picked the moon god for allah when he was picking the god. And the three sisters are the three stars.
     
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    The moon god, Nanna, Suen, asimbabar, or Sin (as borrowed by the semites) was married to the sun godess and the stars were their daugthers.

    The moon god's symbol is the crescent moon sometimes with the full moon to show all the moon's phases.

    And our christian president says it is a great religion. Far out!
     
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    In short the president of the USA that claims to be a Christian is endorsing idolatry. Why would he do that?
     
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    It does not matter whether it's the moon god or who. Islam is a Satenic religion. There is no excuse for praising it.
     
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    But..but, Pa Jim...he is a christian and a republican and a war president, surely he didn't mean it the way it sounded. Maybe we should wait to hear Cheney's interpretation before we reach any conclusions about George. :confused:
     
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    Well I sure wish he wouldn't do it.

    But I'm still giving him my vote.
     
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    Sorry, that's a common falsehood that, in one form or another, gets repeated and repeated and repeated and repeated, until, eventually, unsuspecting Christians who dont' know any better subscribe to it.

    I'm not a promoter of Islam (I'm only a promoter of Jesus), but we don't need to adhere to misconceptions about non-christian religions to promote the perits of Christianity. Islam believs in one almighty God. I believe they are mistaken about many of the traits that the Koran ascribes to God (which can only be remedied by the sharing of the Gospel), but they believe in one almighty God. Now, before we start a whole riot on that topic, let's just leave it alone and agree that many Christians are divided on this opinion.

    Now, getting to the topic, the President also gives an address on Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashana. By our own litmus test, Jews don't worship the God of the Bible either (the OT without the NT is not the bible, many will say). I don't have a problem with a presidential address at any of these events. He's not just my President. I have to share him with other Americans of other faiths, whether I like it or not.
     
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    JohnV,

    I admit I haven't read much of the Qur'an. I would be interested however in looking at the traits that it ascribes to God. Could you give a couple examples or tell me where I can find them?
     
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    poncho, for the sake of the topic, I don't want to hijack the thread. However, there are many websites that contain the text of the Koran (translated to English) for your perousal.

    I don't mean any disrespect, I jsut don't want this thread to stray fro the topic (which is about the presidential ramadan greeting).
     
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    John knows we have been round and round about this many times. John believes a Muslim can be a Christian (I believe you said that one time - do you still believe that? If you didn't say that, then I stand corrected.)

    http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/islam.htm
     
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    Since muslim means one who follows Islam, there could be no Christian muslims. Bush is giving this speech to people who could not possibly worship the same God he proffesses.
     
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    I like what Johnv said. Pres. Bush is just being polite, just like I can say to my Chinese friends, guo qin jie kuai le, "Happy National Day." Do I support the takeover of China by Communists 55 years ago? No. But it means a lot to them and there's a sense of polity and human kindness and plain friendliness that compels us to reach out.

    Do I think Islam is a "great religion" that was hijacked by terrorists? Of course not. Bush has scriptwriters, some of whom are absolutely dummies when it comes to the exclusivity of Christianity which Pres. Bush espouses. Pres. Bush is a moderate anyway. If he were a fundamentalist Christian I guarantee you he would not be Pres. of the USA right now, because America is one of the most secular nations in the world right now, with far more not "truly" believing in God than do. I'd be surprised if 1 in 10 believed in the one and only true God of the Bible.

    Yours,

    Bluefalcon
     
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    So you support an idolater for president?

    You have shown that there is nothing Bush could possibly do that would cost him your vote. Maybe when you pull your head out of the sand you will realize that God is not a Republican.
     
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    I thought this was the United States of America, where people are FREE to worship as they see fit. For Bush to condemn the religion of Islam would be going against what this country was founded upon. BUT Islam needs to be kept on a very short leash here in the US and I don’t care for what Bush is doing in giving props to this false religion, but he is a politician. This is why he’s a politician and I am not; I wouldn’t be elected because I would be to vocal about these false religions.
     

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