President Bush's Speech Tonight

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  1. KenH

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    President Bush could have save some time and a lot words tonight by just leveling with the American people quite directly by simply stating:

    "We are all socialists now."
     
  2. LeBuick

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    He used the excuse that people took loans they couldn't pay.

    He didn't say they couldn't pay because he sent their jobs overseas. What a major detail to leave out.
     
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    I can just picture you two watching a Bush speech. the State of the Union address comes to mind where they show Kennedy, Hillary and Pelosi shaking their heads no and giving a thumbs down to everything Bush says.

    If Bush withdrew all the troops from overseas, gave everyone a $100,000/year job, and personally paid off all the banking debt...even then, Kennedy, Hillary, Pelosi, KenH, Lebuick and Crabboy would shake their heads no and give a thumbs down, and say it wasnt enough....amazing.

    AJ
     
  4. KenH

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    Can't handle the truth, I see, AJ. Face the truth, AJ - democratic capitalism is dead in the United States and it was a Republican administration that killed it.
     
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    All their hands are dirty on this one. The President is not alone in the mess. The Dems played their equal part.

     
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    I said the same thing!

    I loved the part where he was saying he is all for capitalism... BUT....

    Yeah....

    Socialism is coming to America.... oops.. it's here...

    FDR started it...
    personal debt that can't be paid has paved it's way...

    Bush is driving the car over the edge of the cliff...

    The next president will continue the free fall... It doesn't matter which one is elected...

    We are setting our country up to have to be rescued by some other entity.

    And with that rescue will come conditions that we must meet...

    Like selling our soul to the UN.
     
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    OH< and I guarantee he didn't write the speech.. he was speaking words that he has no idea what they mean...
    IMO
     
  8. KenH

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    Wow! Are you sure that you want to be seen agreeing with me on this board? :laugh:

    Thank you, brother. :thumbs:
     
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    The beauty of being poor is we are not affected by a recession! We have no money to lose!!!

    lol!
     
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    I am a man of many facets!

    Besides, I see what is coming... the 700 billion $ plan is not even guaranteed to work... what is next if it fails?

    And if the Gov. has 700 Billion to just hand over.. why has it not helped our economy before now?

    I really don't like the idea of my family having to rescue people that dug their own grave.

    If they fail, they fail... that is capitalism.

    Keep the Government out of it..

    That is one reason I am against Obama.. .all his social plans smell of socialism.
     
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    Bush is our leader and I voted for him in 2000. Besides, I am curious how he will justify a $700 Billion do as you wish bill as they leave office.

    I should put together my proposal and send it to the Hill. I have some ideas.
     
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    Never fear. It can be turned around. We will just have to have a true conservative resurgence in America just like happen in the U.K. in 1979-80. Thirty years of Socialism in the U.K. following WWII had brought that nation to its knees and then the people rose up and said enough, and elected the conservative Tories into power. Margaret Thatcher and her administration turned the U.K. around and it can be done here too.
     
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    I noticed that too. He was reading without blinking which meant to me he wasn't very familiar with the speech.
     
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    What Governor, did I miss something?

    I hope it's not Alaska cuz that would mean we paid that money at the pump.

    I like how she says she cut taxes for all Alaskans but making big oil pay it. What she fails to say is where big oil gets their money from. US!!! :BangHead:

    I think Alaskans should pay tax like the rest of us do. That isn't Alaska's oil, it's America's oil.
     
  15. KenH

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    The U.K. is more socialistic than the United States is. Some turn around.
     
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    Nice spin...

    I meant Government... not governor...sorry.
     
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    Whoops... I was actually sincere but thanks for the out. :BangHead:

    I was only thinking of one state with that kind of loot and it sure ain't Cali...
     
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    Hey, I got this from an email from Mike Huckabee a few minutes ago...
    I know Ken don't like him.. but he is making more sense than anyone in DC! or either pres. candidate... here it is...

    Dear Huck PAC family,

    I ask 2 things of you right now:
    First, read this email completely. I’m including my thoughts on the “bailout bill,” and I believe you will find them of interest. Second, if you agree with what I have to say, support my efforts at Huck PAC so we’ll continue to have a strong voice and we’ll have the capacity to support conservative candidates all across the nation who will stand and fight for our conservative principles … especially in times of crisis like we are facing as a nation today.
    Frankly, I’m disappointed and disgusted with my own Republican party as I watch them attempt to strong-arm a bailout of some of America’s biggest corporations by asking the taxpayers to suck up the staggering results of the hubris, greed, and arrogance of those who sought to make a quick buck by throwing the dice. They lost, but want the rest of us to cover their bets so they won’t be effected in their lavish lifestyles as they figure out how to spend their tens of millions and in some cases, hundreds of millions in bonuses and compensation which was their reward for not only sinking their companies, but basically doing the same to the entire American economy.
    It’s especially disconcerting to see the very people who pilloried me during the Presidential campaign for being a “populist” and not “understanding Wall Street” to now line up like thirsty dogs at the Washington, D. C. water dish, otherwise known as Congress, and plead for help. I thought these guys were the smartest people in America! I thought that taxpayers like you and I were similar to the people at the U. N. who have no translator speaking into their headset - that we just needed to trust those that I called the power bunch in the “Wall Street to Washington axis of power.”
    The idea of a government bailout in which we’d entrust $700 billion to one man without Congressional oversight or accountability is absurd. My party or not, that is insanity and I believe unconstitutional.
    Will there be far-reaching consequences without some intervention? Probably, but we honestly don’t know since we’ve really never seen this level of greed and stupidity all rolled into one massive move. But may I suggest that letting “Uncle Sugar” step in and bail out the billionaires who made the mess will be far worse and will start a long line of companies and individuals who will demand the same of the government---which last time I checked means that they will be demanding it out of YOU and ME. This is not money that Congress is risking from THEIR pockets or future, but ours. Many if not most of us have already experienced lost value on our homes, retirement accounts, and pensions. Now they’d like for us to assume some further risks so they won’t have to.
    What happened to the “free market” idea? Is that only our view when we WIN and when we LOSE, we ask the government to come in and take away the pain?

    If you are a small business owner, is this the way it works at your place? When you have a bad month, a bad year, or face having to close, can you go up to Congress and get them to write YOU a fat check to take away your risk?

    Some of what contributed to this disaster is too much government in the form of Sarbanes/Oxley. Some is due to the tax structure that created the hunger for companies to “game” the system. Some is the common sense that was ignored like loaning money to people who can’t pay it back.
    Wall Street has become Las Vegas east, but at least in Vegas, people KNOW they are gambling and they don’t expect the government to cover their losses at the tables. In Wall Street, they do. And the American taxpayer burdens the responsibility.
    If Congress wants to do something, here are some suggestions:
    1. Eliminate ALL capital gains taxes and taxes on savings and dividends right now. Free up the capital and encourage investment. This is the kind of economic stimulus the Fair Tax would bring and if Congress is going to lose money, let them lose it with lower taxes, not with public dollar bailouts of private market mistakes.
    2. Repeal Sarbanes/Oxley. It has failed. It was supposed to prevent this. It didn’t. Kill it.
    3. Demand that the executives who steered their ships into the ground be forced to pay back the losses of their companies. Of course, they can’t, so let them work and give back to the government and they can live like the people they put on the streets or kept there. It makes no sense to put them in jail—that’s just more they will cost you and me. I’d rather them go out and earn money—just not get to keep so much of it this time. I’m not talking about limiting CEO salaries---just those of the people who now are up in Washington begging for help because they ruined their companies.
    Attempts by Democrats and Republicans to blame each other is nonsense. They are both guilty and ought to own up and admit it. They all lived off big campaign contributions and the swill of the lobbyists who strong armed them into permission to steal. Enough of blame. Fix it!
    This would be a start. If we don’t hold these guys responsible, we are all finished.
    Your support today will send a strong message to our Party Leadership in Washington that we are fed up with “business as usual!” And it will give us the resources to support strong conservative candidates who are campaigning hard for election this November. Those folk who share our beliefs and who will fight …not bail … on our principles. Please make an immediate contribution of $25, $50, $75, $100 or more to help make certain that the “business as usual” of Washington politics stops in January.

    Thank you for your continued support and God Bless

    Mike Huckabee
     
  19. LeBuick

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    Wow Tiny, he has some fresh ideas. Too bad he can't be in the Bush meeting in the morning.
     
  20. TomVols

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    Well, I was hoping we'd talk about the substance of the speech. I have a lot to say about that. But the kool aid is flowing, so I have to respond. Ken, it was more than just this ninny that jumped cannonball style into the Keynesian pool. And Clinton signed NAFTA, with the flood of jobs leaving America. Let's get the facts straight.

    Now, I'd love to actually talk about the speech if the hacks will allow it.
     

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