President Jefferson's Letter to Danbury Baptists

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  1. Nevada

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    I just discovered that in 1802, President Jefferson wrote a letter to Baptists in Danbury, Connecticut., and used that phrase so often heard, ". . wall of separation between church and State."

    I love finding the sources of oft heard things.

    http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html
     
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    Funny how liberals refer to it a if it was law.:laugh:
     
  3. BobRyan

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    Jefferson's assurance to the Baptists was in the form of protecting their right to worship according to the dictates of their conscience - and to not allow the state to infringe on that right.

    That is very different from the more modern "Freedom from religion" groups who insist that the Christian religion is not to be tolerated in America.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    I wonder if they have read the entire letter?
     
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    I think fear tactics are used by some clergy to scare people into writing out checks. We see clergy using fear tactics in the Middle East, where they lie and say The West wants to destroy Islam. Here in America, we have fear-tactics light, which is used to elicit contributions. There is no real war against Christianity in America. Much of what is represented as such is merely the secular republic James Madison considered essential to the health of religion.

    Freedom of religion is a frightening thing. Many have a watered down view of it, thinking it only applies to their denomination, or the umbrella of faiths it falls under. Never do they think it applies to radically different folk. In reality, freedom of religion is an absolute, all-or-nothing thing. Deny it to the Jew, Muslim, atheist, infidel, and you destroy it. In his autobiography, Thomas Jefferson said it encompassed all:

    "within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and Infidel of every denomination."

    from:

    http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendI_religions45.html
     
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    You are living with blinders on.
     
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    That's for sure
     
  8. Nevada

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    I challenge you to copy and paste anything from the remainder of Jefferson's letter that contradicts the part I posted. I don't think a President would contradict himself in 1 mere letter.

    Know this: finding words from Jefferson attesting to his devotion do not count. There is no contradiction between secularism and devotion, otherwise, President James Madison would not have stated in his letter to Robert Walsh, 1819, that "total separation" was good for religion. http://foundingfathersquotes.blogspot.com/2005/01/james-madison-letter-to-robert-walsh.html

    Jefferson was hated by many a clergyman in his day. Jefferson was a Unitarian and a deist, who wrote that belief in the trinity would disappear within a generation. However! James Madison was more a traditional Christian, and devout, and he thought secularism the best thing to ever happen to religion. In today's world, what I call Catholicized conservatism, has held up the false idea that secularism is anti-Christianity. Obviously, it wasn't to Christian Madison, "The Father of the Constitution", nor to deist Jefferson.

    So, with all due respect, what does the rest of the letter show to rebuke Jefferson's earlier words in it?

    With all due respect. I love a polite debate, and respect all's opinion.
     
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    shh. Goverment wants us to think that is in the consitution.
     
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