President Re-Takes Oath

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  1. Magnetic Poles

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    President Obama summoned Chief Justice John Roberts to readminister the oath of office, following Roberts' flubbing of the oath at the official ceremony yesterday. While Obama was, and is, legally the President without the retake, it erases the potential for anyone to make an issue of it. After the brouhaha by the nutty fringe over his birth certificate, can't say as I blame him.

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    This is interesting. So was he our President today or yesterday. If the answer is yesterday why do a repeat.

    I noticed in the second swearing in Obama did not bring a Bible. So it was done without a Bible. It seems it was a pretty big deal to do the retake so why leave the Bible out? Interesting.
     
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    Good on him, clever I would say.

    Every blessing, mate.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  4. Enoch

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    What does this mean?

    Clever he took the oath without the Bible?
     
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    The Bible isn't specified by the Constitution. The oath is explicit. Roberts tried to wing it. No repeat was necessary...but it was just being very by the book.
     
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    With all the rhubarb thrown at him, re-taking the oath, is the clever part.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    In my understanding he was our President at 12:01 PM yesterday irregardless of taking the oath. He didn't take the oath until 12:07 PM.
     
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    Really by the book. So the Bible aspect was just for show yesterday. As a man of God why wouldn't he want to use the Bible for the retake? Obviously he wanted to assure himself of his Presidency but left the Bible out. Priorities noted.
     
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    Whatever. :rolleyes:
     
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    So are you telling me that if you were in the same position you would retake the oath without your Bible? It's just a "whatever" to you?

    As for who is to blame for the blunder, perhaps both or not.

     
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    Don't sweat the small stuff MP... This is just the type of tripe that will be thrown around for the next four years..

    They complained about it being done to Bush, but now the shoe is on the other foot, it's "ok"...
     
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    So JamieinNH the Bible being omitted from the retake of Obama's swearing in is just tripe? Don't sweat the small stuff, for instance the Holy Bible.

    As a Christian this is a big deal, regardless of my political affiliation.
     
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    Yep. And the whole thing could have been avoided by

    1. Rehearsal
    2. Roberts not trying to ad-lib it under such pressure.
     
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    For a Secular job, it's not needed or warranted.. It doesn't matter to me if he used a Bible the first or second time.

    He is my President, not my Pastor.

    Yes, this is small stuff... Wait... I am sure there will be plenty of things you can hit Obama with in the future that will be bigger issues...
     
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    Very True! Oh well... on to the next "thing"....
     
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    I think it was just the crowd. Roberts did flub it, but c'mon......I've never had to speak to 2 million people.


    (pssssst...I hear he had a Koran in his jacket)
     
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    Yeah, I get the willies talking to 20 people! :)


    Don't say that, LE might hear you!! hehe
     
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    ==Let's go to the Constitutional and Biblical facts before we try to make something out of nothing.

    1. We are not to swear on the Bible. Everytime a person places their left hand on the Bible, raises their right hand, and swears to anything they are disobeying Scripture (Matt 23:20-22, Jms 5:12). Christians should affirm without placing their hand on Scripture. The Bible says "your yes is to be yes, and your no, no". How many people have brought judgment on themselves by swearing on the Bible? Only God can answer that. When you go to court for jury duty, for testimony, or if you are elected to an office, you are to affirm and not swear. The Constitution of the United States makes allowance for this in Article 2 Section 1.

    2. The Constitution does not require any sort of book, much less the Bible, be used at a 'swearing in'. All it says is:

    "Before he enter on the execution of his office, he shall take the following oath or affirmation: "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States and will, to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."

    The phrase "So help me God" was added by President Washington as was the Bible. However neither are required by law and Biblically it is better not be swearing on anything (much less the Bible).

    3. Barack Obama was President of the United States at noon on January 20, 2009. That is clearly stated in Amendment 20:

    "The terms of the President and Vice-President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January...and the terms of their successors shall then begin"

    The swearing in is required by the Constitution but, with the 20th Amendment, the President-Elect becomes President at noon on the 20th. So technically Mr. Obama was President before he took his oath since it was after the noon time when he was sworn in.

    Other points of importance:

    1. Justice Roberts did not use notes and therefore messed up. A man in his position should know never to try speaking at such an event without notes (nerves can cause the best to mess up). The mistake was with Justice Roberts and not Mr. Obama.

    2. The redo was done to "be on the safe side". They understand that some Republican political hacks would try to make it an issue at some point. Therefore the redo was the safe and right thing to do.

    3. I would not read anything into him not using a Bible. It was not an official ceremony, just a redo for political/legal purposes. Therefore a Bible was not required or demanded.

    4. Mr. Obama is President of the United States of America.
     
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    Clearly the Bible yesterday was just for show. Why am I not surprised.
     
  20. Magnetic Poles

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    You see, it's because Obama is a Muslim, he flubbed it all up so he could take it proper with the Koran. I hear he also said "So help me, Allah! Death to the infidels!"

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