PreTrib Rapture Affeccianados -- Good Sermon

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  1. skypair

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    Sermon presented on how close the rapture is. Go to 7/25/08 sermon, put on "Medium," and skip the first 15 minutes.

    The sermon aligns the coming of Christ and the rapture with "blood moon" signs in Revelation.

    http://www.harvestreno.org/messages.asp

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    How close is it skypair? Can you give us a time frame?
     
  3. Ed Edwards

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    The pretribulation rapture2 will be after 30 August 2008.

    Needless to say, I could not have told you last July (2008) that the above statement would correct today (31 Aug 2008). The above statement kills the a-mill (no literal Millennial Messianic Kingdom in the future) position


    a-mill position: :tonofbricks:


    The following trailer is also about date setting of the pretribulation rapture2

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    Forgive me for coming accross over-critical...but this made not click a single sermon:

    Ok, let's all sing together..."It's all about meeeeeeeeeeeee....and not about youuuuuuuuuuu...."
     
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    Another prediction? When will we ever learn.
     
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    You're the BOMB, Ed!! Love ya!
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    Ah! Another Rick Warren devotee! Shouldn't you have capitalized the "Y" in "youuuuuuu?"

    What do you think Rick Warren believes? :type:

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    I am not sure who you are saying is a Rick Warren devotee. lol It's def. not me. And I have not paid attention to what Rick Warren believes for quite some time.
     
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    Sorry, all,

    The sermon was MAY 24, 2008 entitled Matthew 25. About 1/4 of it is "buildup" from Mt 24 so I suggested you skip into the sermon about that far.

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    From your article:


    When did Jesus return in the clouds in glory? This has already happened?

    Mat 24:30 "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    Mat 24:31 "And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
     
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    John Gill
    and it may be observed, that the other evangelists make no mention of the sign, only speak of the son of man,
    Mar_13:26 and he shall appear, not in person, but in the power of his wrath and vengeance, on the Jewish nation which will be a full sign and proof of his being come: for the sense is, that when the above calamities shall be upon the civil state of that people, and there will be such changes in their ecclesiastical state it will be as clear a point, that Christ is come in the flesh, and that he is also come in his vengeance on that nation, for their rejection and crucifixion him, as if they had seen him appear in person in the heavens. They had been always seeking a sign, and were continually asking one of him; and now they will have a sign with a witness; as they had accordingly,

    Adam Clarke
    Then shall appear the sign of the Son of man - The plain meaning of this is, that the destruction of Jerusalem will be such a remarkable instance of Divine vengeance, such a signal manifestation of Christ’s power and glory, that all the Jewish tribes shall mourn, and many will, in consequence of this manifestation of God, be led to acknowledge Christ and his religion. By της γης, of the land, in the text, is evidently meant here, as in several other places, the land of Judea and its tribes, either its then inhabitants, or the Jewish people wherever found.

    Albert Barnes
    The sign of the Son of man - The "evidence" that he is coming to destroy the city of Jerusalem.

    Caiaphus was told he would see this event:

    Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

    Again John Gill commenting on verse 64:

    and coming in, the clouds of heaven. So Christ's coming to take vengeance on the Jewish nation, as it is often called the coming of the son of man, is described in this manner, Mat_24:27.

    The context of the Discourse:

    Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.








     
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    Yet, being just toward the men quoated concerning the above passages, they ought not to be used to give any sort of weight at all to full preterism. I cannot speak completely regarding Albert Barnes or Adam Clarke, but I know concerning John Gill that he did not hold the view of what is called preterism or full-preterism today.

    Full-preterism, as I understand it, is not a new doctrine, but an old heresy. Yes, I regard it as a heresy. It is profane and vain babbling put forth by untaught and unstable men and women. Preterism, for all its intricacies, teaches the ressurection is already past. This is the error of Hymenaeus and Philetus who also taught the same. 2 Timothy 2:16-19.

    These modern-day folks also have errored concerning the truth. And the foundation of God still stands, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let everyone that nameth the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.

    Also, let us take the admonishment of the Holy Spirit to "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." And also, to shun this full-preterism babbling.

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    Grasshopper,

    Let's just cut the nonsense. If you defend the full-preterism view (which it seems you do) then tell us all plainly: Do you affirm or deny a future physical ressurection of the bodies of both the just and unjust?

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    grasshopper,

    A couple of accusations you seem to be "dodging."

    1) The resurrection has already come and Paul turned those who taught such over to Satan that they learn not to blaspheme.

    2) You are destroying the faith of anyone who believes you. That is what Paul said was the result of Hymenaeus teaching. That is why Paul turned him over to Satan. Are you denying scripture truth? On what authority?

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    I'm dodging nothing. I actually answer questions presented to me unlike others.

    1.Paul was correct in saying the resurrection had not yet come.
    2.I do not deny scriptural truth. Do you?

    I ask you, are the resurrection, tribulation, coming of the son of man and the dissolution of the heavens all events that occur within the same time frame not sepatated by 1000's of years?
     
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