Featured Primitive Baptists beliefs

True EWF. And my apologies to Greek Tim for coming off abrasively. That's one of those buttons. I'll crawl back in my hole now.

 

Not to derail a good thread, but the name Primitive Baptist congers up the sight of a caveman carrying a Bible, and knocking potential converts over the head with his club.....:smilewinkgrin:

No back to your topic. I appreciate the topic as it helps me to know something about the beliefs of PBs. Still, I can't agree with only the elect going to eternity. I could never figure how a person would know for sure they were one of the elect without some physical sign to confirm their belief. If someone would explain this, I'd be grateful.

 

I can understand this to a degree. Thanks!

 

The whole problem with trying to guess what God does with babies, or retarded people, etc is.....

God will not violate Hus own word, that's for sure. If a baby is born a sinner, and does not believe the gospel, that baby will be in hell when he dies. Scripture gives no back door, no wink at a baby based in his parents' faith, no exceptions.

Believe the gospel or perish.

But everyone here is starting with the false notion that babies are born sinners. If you get that wrong, then you're gonna be wrong in how God "handles" them.

DO NOT forget that we are made of two parts - spirit and body.

Corrupt body comes from Adam, sinless spirit comes from the breath of God.

Nobody nobody nobody is born with a corrupt spirit. That happens when we go our own way, become our own person, and determine for ourselves what is right and wrong.

Then we BECOME sinners. Every one of us, it is inevitable. Read Romans 1:17-25 to see this exchange from innocence to depravity.

So how does God "handle" someone who dies before he has the mental capacity to go his own way?

He doesn't have to "handle" them. They have not become corrupt yet.

 

But you are among the race of 'stupid mortals" EW&F. How do you know if you interpret Scripture correctly?

All things are not revealed to us in the Word of God. The Lord has sound reasons for that. Just concentrate on the things that He has revealed (Deut.29:29).

Just rest in the fact that the Lord always does right --whether it lines up with what you think is right and fair does not matter.

 

Deut 29:29 and all of Scripture is still true regardless of your examples.

And just how did you manage to extract that from any of my comments? You did not read that from my comments at all. You just like to say nasty things. You are noted for that.

The majority of what I quoted of this section of your post is correct. The last part...not so much. I told you before that the Lord mercies who he decides to mercy and He hardens those who He wants to harden. Do you have a problem with that? Do you want to be the objector that Paul deals with in Romans 9? Or are you willing to cast your sentiments and anger aside and agree with Scripture?

You will have to flesh-out what you mean by man-made dogma. Sometimes when you disagree with the Bible you tend to color its doctrines with offensive language.

 

It's not bs. And it has nothing to do with Pelagius. He also erroneously ignored the distinction between inner being and flesh.

And it has nothing to do with inability, which relates to someone who is already corrupt. Inability also argues from the false notion that faith is a choice and action.

I'm talking about the impossibility of Adam being able to corrupt the breath of God, which HE breathes into a man. See Zechariah 12:1 & Ecclesiastes 12:7

If Adam's one sin corrupted the inner being of all his descendants, then you have a corrupted Christ, who was made like us in all respects. See Hebrews 2:14

I'm talking about whether or not someone has gone his own way, which is not possible for a baby or someone who is severely retarded. See Romans 1:17-25


This one false doctrine of original sin carries with it too many difficulties. The Roman Catholic Church has made a practice of adding doctrines to try to relieve these difficulties, and Protestants have continued the tradition.

My view is substantiated by scripture, and has no difficulties which need to be ironed out through philosophical reasoning.

 

Far from that. I think the criteria of God's elect is the same for all people, young or old, adults or infants, mentally competent or insane.

 

No abrasion felt... that is a valid point. Let me consider how to respond before I post something here trite and unhelpful.

 

Again... no apologies necessary. You made a valid point. I need to articulate my response well.