Primitive Baptists: hyper-calvinists?

Bro. James

Absolutely right, regret forgetting to include that last point.

 

My answer to this, Seehttp://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/35/1020/2.html#000016 (And there's one person in that discussion who DOES believe infants are excluded!)

 

Dear Bro. Eric, Thank you for the link. I am still unsure which one in that discussion is denying infants will be 'saved'.

I think I know, but I am not sure so I am reserving making any kind of distinction. I hope you have not misunderstood me to say that.

By Grace Alone,
Bro. Dallas Eaton

 

Dear Bro. James and Jeff,

Bro. James said:

Bro. Dallas, correct me if I'm wrong, but you believe what I said, plus that they will also know that he is the Jesus of the Bible.

This statement is a fair and true summarization of what I accept as truth.

Dear Bro. James, without being contentious nor having any such intention let me say that I understand your point from the scripture you have given.

The difficulty is not seen only in our view of soteriology then, but as I said in another post also becomes one of ecclessiology (spelling??) and eschatology. That view will also make the scripture you have given to be speaking of a future time that I would identify with the millenial reign of Christ. Our differences on that point have already been discussed in another place. Also, this will not imho, do harm to what I believe even were my view on eschatology proven wrong in the fulness of time.

Note that I make all this a work of the Spirit, including the gospel conversion as you understand it.

Now, regarding the conversion of Paul, that too can be seen from the point of view of Stehpen's sermon. Did that sermon have in it any points of the gospel?

AS you both know, this will depend upon what our definition of the gospel is, (when I discuss it I view it according to the message Paul preached found in Romans 1.1-4; note vss. 9, 16 & 17).

The gospel is the power of God unto salvation, therein is the righteousness of God revealed, the righteousness of God is Jesus Christ Rom. 3.21-22).

Note especially that I am not trying to change what you believe. I am confident that if I could see past the conviction that this is surely taught in the scripture that I could fellowship with the Primitive Baptist and would gladly receive their baptism(But, I yet beleive that all the sheep will hear my voice (voice of Jesus even as Lazarus did), He knows them and they follow him). Now for the reply that this states He knows them, we have vs. 14 previous to this that imho, teaches us what I have stated that he not only knows his sheep, but he is known of his own, the scripture is given below

I am the good shepherd, and know my shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

But, what you have stated and the question you have asked me is in my understanding of scripture true.

I will not deny immediate spiritural regeneration, but I will continue to beleive that all the elect of God will come to him by Christ. This then will be understood that I believe he is the door and that no man has ever passed through a door to a place without having knowledge of that door.

Hope that helps to clarify my beleif. Let me say, I understood this first beginnning with Galatians 3.8 long before I ever became familiar with the various teachings of the missionaries or the Primitive Brethren.

By Grace Alone,
Bro. Dallas

 

Jeffrey H,

It depends on how you define "receive." If you mean "to lay hold of" and "rest in," then yes; Faith is a condition for receiving salvation. Romans 10:17 links faith with the ability to hear; "...faith cometh by hearing..." Not every man has the ability to hear, that is, spiritually speaking.

Travelsong,

You contradicted yourself. You claim that Jesus is the only way unto salvation (I assume you mean eternal salvation), and then you start bringing the Gospel preacher into it; "...except that he hear the Gospel message of repentance and belief on Jesus."