Pro or Con Bush

Discussion in 'Politics' started by rufus, Aug 31, 2005.

  1. rufus

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    I hear so much Bush-bashing lately, over the war, over the economy, over this and that!

    Would anyone prefer to elevate Bush? If so, elaborate.

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  2. church mouse guy

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    Yeah, I would prefer to elevate the President. I think that he is one of the better Presidents in my lifetime in spite of his contempt for American domestic politics of spend, spend, spend, where he has bowed to the will of the improvident majority. Also, he has not wasted his time on immigration issues because the Democrats have been waiting to yell, "Racism," if anyone tried to stem the flow. The Democrats believe that illegals will vote mostly Democratic. They never mention the subject.

    His learning is not as great as his father's but whose is? However, he has his father's good nature and common sense. In spite of his aristocratic background, he has the common touch to a greater degree than the glib Clinton who came from a middle-class background but prefers the exclusive realms of wealthy liberalism.

    On the issue of defending America against her foreign enemies, Bush has been beyond any criticism.

    Bush has many venomous critics among the left who never have mastered common manners and among the wealthy far-right who join with the left now that communism has been defeated except in China. All of the third parties have been mean-spirited towards Bush but he has maintained his poise in spite of their constant disinformation.

    Bush will never hear a kind word from the third parties and the left while he lives but he has done more for America with his military leadership than they will ever do with their love of their money and their unseemly lust for power.

    History will be kind to the Prescott Bush, George Herbert Walker Bush, and George Walker Bush. They are one of the greatest families this country ever produced.
     
  3. Daisy

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    He loves his wife. He probably means well. He's not a bigot that I've ever seen.

    cmg, capitalism seems to have surplanted communism in China.
     
  4. TexasSky

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    The first time I met President Bush I was a freshman in college, and he was trying to convince the people of the area that we needed to provide every child with a quality education, and that we shouldn't allow certain kids to be pushed to the curb. He was considering a run for US Congress back in those days. I gave him a hard time during the question and answer session, and told him, "Education isn't a federal government issue." He fired back with, "You're right. It shouldn't have to be, so what are the local school districts doing to ensure that no child is denied an education because some teacher decided to teach to the other kid in class instead of him?"

    We ended up talking for many hours after the speech ended. He told me, "I don't care whether I win or lose, the issues are being raised. The people are starting to think. As long as we are thinking about what is best for our kids, it is worth the run. I may not be right, but that's fine. If I'm wrong, then let someone who is out thinking me step up and do what is right."

    A few years later this man decided to run for governor of Texas. The state had been grid locked for years. Powerful Democrats were always blocking powerful Republicans on issues like insurance of children. Governor Bush walked into Bob Bullock's office and said that he was tired of party politics. That as far as he knew, they were both elected to help Texans, not Democrats and Republicans. He asked Bob to sit down with him and actually get something done. The result was an insurance program for children in Texas whose parents otherwise could not afford insurance for them.

    When a high ranking member of the campaign told him that he needed to tone down the "Christian rhetoric" his reaction was that no one had the right to ask a Christian not to acknowledge their faith in God.

    He isn't perfect. I'm not at all crazy about the shape of our economy today, but I believe that when this man prays - he is sincerely seeking the will of God. That's very refreshing. I believe that he is a moral individual. It is easy to point out the failings of his youth - but he is the first to say, "I was wrong when I was young." It is easy to blast him for mistakes he makes today. He is the first to say, "I'm a human being."

    He is most definately not a bigot.
    He is sincerely a man who cares.
    He is far more intelligent than people think he is. That is a Texas thing. In Texas you couldn't do business with farmers if you came across as a rich-elitist-college boy. So, the educated learned to come across like, "Good ole boys," and put the less educated at ease. Combine that with a natural sense of humor, and he doesn't fit New York's image of "educated," but look at who does--- Do we want another Ted Kennedy?
     
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    1. Like Daisy said, he loves his wife.
    2. It also follows that he loves his family.
    3. I seem to recall that he noted that he could not look at his Dad on the podium (back in 2001) for fear of losing his composure and crying.
    4. He made an attempt to correct the US educational system. Did it work? Not sure yet, but at least he tried.

    Good discussion,
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  6. poncho

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    I like the way he has helped the Constitution Party recruit new members. Go George! [​IMG]
     
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    Our economy would be even worse if he hadn't pushed through those tax cuts. I know that they have been a tremendous help to my family.
     
  8. TexasSky

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    Elijah,

    I don't think I could have fed my son if he hadn't extended the EIC and child tax credits.
     
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    He has stated he is a christian and the one person that changed his life was quoted from him as "Jesus Christ, because He changed my heart". That stands for something in my book.
     
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    He sets a great example of how exercise increases the quality of life.
     
  11. church mouse guy

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    I do too! We need to cleanse the GOP of these far-right selfish forces with their holier-than-thou rhetoric and constant attacks upon the military! They think that they are better than everyone else.
     
  12. poncho

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    Cool, we'll gladly take em if you promise to keep them liberal Republicans in their stalls. Hee Haw! [​IMG]

    We'd hate to be co opted by the Dems like yous guys was. :cool:
     
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    sorry goofed
     
  14. church mouse guy

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    There is no place in the GOP for people who think that the war is illegal and that the American forces should be withdrawn immediately. That coincides with liberal Democrats, Poncho. That is the reason that so many of your posts seem far-left.
     
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    Show me one post where I said the war is illegal or that the troops should be withdrawn immediately CMG.

    I've been adamant about my belief that we were mislead in the buildup to the war, and the more time goes by the more evidence becomes available to support my belief.

    To withdraw the troops immediatley would imo not only be d-u-m-b at this point it would be dangerous.

    Do I believe that we've embarked on an imperial adventure? Yes I do! How did I arrive at that conclusion? I read what the policy planners were writting in their papers and books.

    The one planner that spells it out the c-l-e-a-r-e-s-t is Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzezinski. Here's the equation.

    Brzezinski's words + PNAC's words + Big oil interests = imperial geostrategy (Brzezinski's own words).

    Conclusion: You've been neoconned.
     
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    Poncho, you have been misled by your new party. Peroutka says that the war is illegal and that we should withdraw our troops immediately. I look for the CP to say that Bush caused the hurricane, joining with Robert Kennedy Jr., Cindy Sheehan and the Germans on that point.
     
  17. poncho

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    I know what he says CMG, that doesn't mean I've fallen for it or have been misled. You know as well as anyone on this board that I am skeptical of anyone seeking power of that magnitude including Mr. P especially when they have esquire behind their name.

    I'm not a wildeyed follower of his as supporters of Bush seem to be when speaking of him. For all I know Peroutka could be an attempt to co opt the CP as the neocons did the Republican party. The difference (I hope) is that CP members would recognize that in his policies that he would try to put forth as POTUS and soundly denounce him for it instead of turning a blind eye as the conservatives in the R party have done to keep "one of their own" in power because of the deep delibophobia ya'll seem to suffer from.
     
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    I have been asking the CP why they don't dump Peroutka and his platform but there is no answer. In my opinion, they have another embarrassment in the shadowy figure of Greg Dixon, who had his Indianapolis building confiscated over tax charges.

    http://www.nctimes.net/~dovbooks/unregchs.htm

    The CP would not give any foreign aid. You could starve to death before they would help you.
     
  19. poncho

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    I don't know much about this Dixon fella. Thanks for the link CMG I'll read it later tonight. I don't think that America should be totally "isolationist" that's kind of unrealistic at this point in time I reckon. I don't have a problem with foreign aid as an ideal but I do think that it's been oh, how can I say this? Misused to gain politcal leverage over other countries much the same way that federal aid has been used to force states to do what the feds want.
     
  20. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    How come I open a "Pro Con Bush" thread and read about the Constitution Party?

    As he changed parties?
     

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