Prophecy

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by ShotGunWillie, Jun 5, 2007.

  1. ShotGunWillie

    ShotGunWillie
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2007
    Messages:
    773
    Likes Received:
    0
    Are there every any open discussions about prophecy here on this board?

    I have noticed a rapid decrease in the amount of times prophecy is preached from the pulpit these days and the subject is altogether avoided at all costs.

    It seems to to me that prophecy makes up a great deal of the scripture, considering that a lot of Jesus's teachings were prophetic in nature.
     
  2. ShotGunWillie

    ShotGunWillie
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2007
    Messages:
    773
    Likes Received:
    0
    SO.... I guess I see why prophecy isn't preached from pulpits, there is no interest in a discussion about it here. Or did I miss the subject for it and I am posting in the wrong spot. If you have failed to notice, I am new here and at times willing accept guidance. Thanks
     
  3. skypair

    skypair
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2006
    Messages:
    4,657
    Likes Received:
    0
    Shotgun,

    Hey! Welcome!! :type:

    Most prophecy topics would come up on the 2nd forum "Theology." It isn't as frequent as it used to be. In that your observation is correct.

    And sad, too. I think we are right on the verge of seeing the Zech 11:1-3 regional war of Israel with Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and the Palestinians in Gaza that leads right to the 7 year peace confirmed by AC (Zech 11:7).

    skypair
     
  4. tinytim

    tinytim
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/tim2.jpg>

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2003
    Messages:
    11,250
    Likes Received:
    0
    I have noticed that prophecy has been downplayed since Y2K didn't happen...

    In the second half of the 20th century, people were fascinated with prophecy in part due to the fact that they were coming up on the year 2000...

    And In my opinion, this weakened churches...
    Churches were so sure that Christ would come back before 2000 that they failed to disciple the people in the pews to be Christians.

    After all, why worry about the next couple generations when we are leaving in a couple yrs?

    Now we have a generation that are weak Christians, and we have to deal with this.

    Then you have all the date setters...
    Remember the 88 reasons Christ would return in 1988... I heard preacher after preacher take the verses about how all things will happen within the generation of the people that saw Israel to become a nation in 1948...

    They took the old English word, "Generation" and applied todays meaning to it, and came up with a false doctrine... BTW, "Generation" means a group of people...

    When Christ didn't come back like they said, when they said, they changed the meaning to suit themselves.. .then came Y2K... I even watched some on the Christian Comedy channel... (you know... TBN... where the owner's wife is wearing the clown make-up.)... tell the lost how to prepare a survival kit for the coming "tribulation" that would occur in 2000...

    Christians are sick of false prophets...

    Christ is coming back.. but don't get sucked in to the vortex of prophecy so far that you forget about living here and now. Making sure your loved ones, friends, and neighbors are saved is the main priority...

    For even if Christ doesn't come back for another 100 yrs, they will still die!

    That is why I don't have time to discuss prophecy... after all it will all pan out in the end anyway... live in the present, and witness to someone today.
     
  5. ccrobinson

    ccrobinson
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2005
    Messages:
    4,459
    Likes Received:
    0
    That hasn't stopped anybody from saying, "we're living in the last days." If I had a nickel for everytime I heard that...
     
  6. tinytim

    tinytim
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/tim2.jpg>

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2003
    Messages:
    11,250
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yeah, ever since Peter said it in Acts.. people have said it...

    And we could very well be! But I am not going to spend a lot of time figuring out the ends and outs of end time events...when people are dying and going to Hell... TODAY!

    This is one problem I have with prophecy preachers.. it is so easy to get sucked in to the vortex that they lose all concept of reality.

    And it ends up being all they preach about...
     
  7. ShotGunWillie

    ShotGunWillie
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2007
    Messages:
    773
    Likes Received:
    0
    I feel that this is the common trend or thinking for most "Christians":
    "People have been saying that for years"

    Sorry, but pieces seem to be coming together more quickly. Think about this, 100 years ago, 50 years ago, heck 20 years ago was not as far advanced as we are today. We have boomed, big time. Daniel 12:4 has give life a whole new aspect. Knowledge has increased greatly (not wisdom, just knowledge) and people are traveling more and more. Not to mention the ever growing hatred of the Jew, that seems to be a growing trend.

    I know we are to live life like today might be our last or someone else's, but we are also called to be looking for the return of our Blessed Hope.

    Is that what we are doing by ignoring prophecy altogether.

    I wouldn't watch them (Paul & Jan) unless I wanted to see a demon impersonating a female and a "televangelist" acting straight. I surely wouldn't listen to what they had to say. They are as messed up as you can get, well, them and Benny, Kenneth Hagin, Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Meyers, and so on...
     
  8. ShotGunWillie

    ShotGunWillie
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2007
    Messages:
    773
    Likes Received:
    0
    Sometimes that is all they need to preach about, because personally speaking, who wants to get "Left Behind". When you talk about heaven or hell, you can't leave out prophecy, if Jesus's coming back was important to him and the apostles, then should it not be important to us, here & now.

    I travel to a lot of prophecy conferences and I am heart broken that the main people who attend are you 50 and above crowd. No younger people, no teenagers, they have all lost sight of what we are to be looking for. This is not heaven, this is a cursed land, we will go to heaven, watch for the signs of the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, so that you might know when it is.

    Whom ever predicts a time and date is a false prophet and they will be off in a lot of other areas.
     
  9. tinytim

    tinytim
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/tim2.jpg>

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2003
    Messages:
    11,250
    Likes Received:
    0
    Just curious, Shotgunwillie, are you pretrib, premill, or what?

    I grew up a pretrib, premill, rapturist.
    I still am to a degree...actually, I still am...
    I have just moved to a little midtrib more than pretrib...

    As I understand it, Satan will have his day the first 3 1/2 yrs...
    then God poors out his wrath...
    I think we will escape God's wrath, but nowhere does it say that we are immune to Satan's tribulations... after all, churches around the world today are suffering persecutions...

    So when it all pans out, I like to say I am "pre wrath" instead of pre trib..

    BTW, I am not over 50... 37 actually.
     
  10. ShotGunWillie

    ShotGunWillie
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2007
    Messages:
    773
    Likes Received:
    0
    pretrib, before the first 3 1/2 years the church is no longer present. All Christians make up the body of Christ, the church is no longer mentioned in Revelation.

    I am glad to hear that, you have also showed a slight disinterest in prophecy which proves my point. People don't care about the things to come these days. No one writes songs about heaven and when the roll is called up yonder. They sing songs about how great god is and such (God was spelled like that intentially because I feel a lot of song about God are really directed to god). People are living the good life now and they don't want to quit living that life so they never consider the things to come.

    Its just sad to me...
     
  11. Tom Butler

    Tom Butler
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2005
    Messages:
    9,031
    Likes Received:
    0
    So, Tim, this must mean you're a Pan-Millenialist.
     
  12. James_Newman

    James_Newman
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2004
    Messages:
    5,013
    Likes Received:
    0
    We sure don't hear people singing songs about the judgment seat of Christ, do we?
     
  13. tinytim

    tinytim
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/tim2.jpg>

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2003
    Messages:
    11,250
    Likes Received:
    0
    To me it is sad that people have so much of an escape mentality that they fail to see the blessings God gives us...

    I would rather sing a worship song to God, than to sing about what "I" am going to get in the end...
    We are commanded to worship God.

    And it is presumptuous to know what is is our hearts when we sing, "How Great is our God".

    God is great! He is Awesome! I am sorry you would rather sing songs about death than songs that worship God.

    I grew up singing those songs you mentioned, and we still do.. it is called balance... I am not against prophecy... (I preached a sermon on the rapture a little while ago) but I am against focusing on it so much that we forget the here and now.

    When people's "worship" songs speak about "crossing jordan" or 'when we all get to Heaven" They are not worshipping God.. They are worshipping self... They are focused on getting out of here... and what they are going to get in eternity...

    "Holy, Holy, Holy" is a perfect worship song...

    Don't forget Hagee... He is on there too, and is a prime example of taking it too far and losing balance...
     
  14. Tom Butler

    Tom Butler
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2005
    Messages:
    9,031
    Likes Received:
    0
    Interest in prophecy runs in cycles, usually triggered by some event in the Middle East.

    Prophecy conferences will spring up on every corner, then die out when the Lord fails to return on their timetable.

    Reminds me of a story about this 19th-century group which was convinced that the Lord would return on a specific date. They sold all their possessions, got some white robes, trooped out into a field on the appointed night, climbed up on some haystacks to await the Coming. As the evening wore on, they drifted off to sleep. Some mischievous boys sneaked up and put a match to the haystacks.

    What would you think if you woke up and flames were all around you?
     
  15. tinytim

    tinytim
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/tim2.jpg>

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2003
    Messages:
    11,250
    Likes Received:
    0
    I was wondering if anyone would catch that!!:laugh:

    No, I am premill.. but I am not going to seperate from post-mills or a-mills...

    The Pharisees thought they had it all figured out, and we know they missed the boat..

    I just don't want to be so dogmatic that I miss the boat...
     
  16. LadyEagle

    LadyEagle
    Expand Collapse
    <b>Moderator</b> <img src =/israel.gif>
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2002
    Messages:
    22,028
    Likes Received:
    1
    ShotGunWillie, prophecy has been discussed on this board many times. The problem is that we can never have a good thread from the pre-trib point of view without it being hijacked by those who believe in Replacement Theology. They more or less ruin every thread. I was hoping we could have some discussions in the Fundy Forum, but, alas - same story. There are more SBC who post here who claim the Church replaced Israel, even though that is not the official SBC position. You will see people like Scoffield and Larkin mocked and ridiculed here, as well. It is not a good board to get excited about Prophecy being fulfillled because this board is too full of scoffers and naysayers. It must be something particular to the SBC, this never preaching about prophecy. Our pastor has simply stated he has no interest in it, doesn't preach about it, just once in awhile says something about the Lord's return (in the air). I belong to an SBC church, but for years was IFB. It seems to be preached more in IFB churches (from what I have observed). Also, people in IFB churches (from what I have observed) get more meat and substance in Bible Study than what is published through Lifeway, which is more or less pablum. But back to the prophecy discussion, you can see an example of the hijacking done by Replacement Theology apologists from one particular thread I posted about Iran in the News Forum. Sadly, there are Baptist pastors who believe in the evil lie of replacement theology which is another part of the problem of why people don't discuss prophecy in many churches. It's considered allegorical, prophecy is, and not literal. Sad. But Jesus even prophesied this would happen, too.
     
    #16 LadyEagle, Jun 7, 2007
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 7, 2007
  17. tinytim

    tinytim
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/tim2.jpg>

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2003
    Messages:
    11,250
    Likes Received:
    0
    What is replacement theology?

    I always thought the Church was grafted in.. we became heirs to God's promise to Jews...

    Is this the same way you see it?
     
  18. LadyEagle

    LadyEagle
    Expand Collapse
    <b>Moderator</b> <img src =/israel.gif>
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2002
    Messages:
    22,028
    Likes Received:
    1
    http://www.gotquestions.org/replacement-theology.html


    http://www.cephas-library.com/replacement_theology/replacement_theology_history.html

    PS: I never heard of it either until I joined this board. And yes, I believe the church was grafted in.
     
    #18 LadyEagle, Jun 7, 2007
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 7, 2007
  19. tinytim

    tinytim
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/tim2.jpg>

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2003
    Messages:
    11,250
    Likes Received:
    0
    So I guess one's view on Israel will determine how one views prophecy.

    Hmmm....

    I just wait until Jesus comes back and set us all straight... and tell us which views we have are right, and which ones are wrong...

    Come Quickly Lord Jesus!
     
  20. ShotGunWillie

    ShotGunWillie
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2007
    Messages:
    773
    Likes Received:
    0
    escapism, the first time I heard that term was during an interview and Kim Clement said it, he is a great false prophet. I think you and him share similar views in that regard.

    Is it wrong to anticipate the rapture and Christ's return. How is the selfish? How it is singing joyous songs unto the Lord being grateful for having been bought by the blood of the lamb (can I say blood?)?

    "When We All Get to Heaven" is not a self-worshipping song, it is a song that is Glorifying God, singing about what he has done for me. I guess thanking God is actually thanking myself. I got it!!

    Holy, Holy, Holy, is speaking of heaven, the casting of crowns isn't done on earth.
    I guess you just know the chorus

    I would rather sing songs about the life to come than songs about how we are so blessed to live on a cursed earth with all of the things taking place in this world. I am ready to go home. I am not escaping anything, if I was trying to escape, I would have committed suicide and gone on up.
     

Share This Page

Loading...