Prophets and the Wearing of Hats

In the NT we have several examples of prophets - Agabus for example predicts the sufferings of Paul and Simon and Anna in the temple are given prophetic vision into the mission of Christ.

Numbers 12
6 He said, ""Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, shall make Myself known to him in a vision. I shall speak with him in a dream.

In 1Cor 14 we see that we should desire earnestly spiritual gifts but "especially that YOU may prophesy". And then we are told that this unique gift is under God's complete control so that IF one standing is relating a revelation and one sitting is suddenly given one -- the one standing must STOP and yield to the one who has just been given a revelation.

That would be "total chaos" in the watered down definition for prophecy so commonly used today.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Hi HP!

I didn't know that you were referring to me.( There was no chime bell!)

I think Jesus was taliking about Neviim ( Prophets) and Tora( Law in Mt 11:13.

As for the prophets after the Cross we can read Ephesians 4:11, 1 Cor 12:28, 14:31-2, and some Acts verses.
Those are mentioned as Gifts of God given by Lord Jesus when and after He ascended on high.

The Whole Bible is prophesying, the OT prophesied the first coming of Jesus Christ, then NT prophesies the second coming of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ had three offices or 3 missions to accomplish on this earth.

He was a prophet and taught the Truth while He was on earth.
Then He offered Himself as a sacrifice to perform His duty as the High Priest.

Then He is coming as King of Kings. Only the third office has not been fulfilled and therefore we are the witnesses and the prophets preaching the Gospel.

Therefore any sermon in the church is deemed to be prophesying.

1 Cor 14:32 the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
Ye must prophesy one by one that all may learn and all may be comforted. ( v 31)

Got it? then take off the hat while the sermon is preached, and let your wife wear any hat or covering during the sermon, which are the teachings in 1 Cor 11:1-16.

 

1. We do have our sisters wearing the hats or coverings while they are singing in the church.

2. I haven't seen any Cow Boy church yet, and saw no one wearing hat while preaching the sermon.

3. As for Cultural question, I have answered already in other threads.
Basically, when Paul explained the teachings on Head Covering, he pointed out the reasons why men should not wear the hats, and why women should wear the head-coverings. He didn't mention any cultural reasons at all, but mentioned that the Head of Christ is God the Father, Head of Men is Christ, Head of Woman is Man. Then when he explained about the women's covering, he mentioned the order of the creation and the relationship with angels.

Therefore the Head-Covering is not related to the cultural customs or traditions, but to the Head-ship of the persons, and to the Creation and to the relationship with the angels.
Are God, Creation, Angels the cultural matters?

Many churches have deviated from the church truth too much and cannot understand the teachings which the Early Church followed and kept.

 

It is quite interesting to hear about such practices or the reality of Cow Boy Church.
Though I did mention the least commandments cannot be broken ( Mt 5:19) I understand the reality is often beyond the control of the believers. In that case I cannot say anything about the question.

However, when I hear the problem with the Head-Covering, then I often hear the other problems too, such as Mono-Pastoral system, Women's preaching at the Pulpit, or Ordaining the Pastors from colleges of Theology, without checking the qualifications according to 1 Tim 3:1-7.

Often the disobedience to the commandments are connected each other, then it is a whole system of the disobedience to the commandments. In such case I cannot say very much.
The Head-Covering is not the matter of Salvation, but the matter of Obedience after the Salvation.

 

Yes, I will. I do understand the difficulties of this kind of matter, and therefore you need to be well prepared with Biblical teachings abundantly. Lord will recognize your interest in this teaching.

 

Let us see if that holds up to scripture

 

As for Prophesy, I have found the following verses in NT.

AC 2:17-18

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Ac 21:9
And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
Ro 12:6
Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
1Co 13:9
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 14:1
Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
1Co 14:24
But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all:
1Co 14:31
For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
1Co 14:39
Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
Re 10:11
And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
Re 11:3
And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

(All Bible quotes are from www.crosswalk.com)



In Other Words, we are encouraged to prophesy according to the Bible and according to the Holy Spirit.

As I said, all Bible teachings are prophesying the first coming of Jesus and the second coming of Jesus. Even though we study the OT, we are studying the prophesies made in OT times.

 

I find no example of anyone merely "preaching" and then having that summarized as "and so Joe preached a sermon - thus prophesying since prophecy is nothing more than preaching".

Notice that in 1Cor 14 those with the gift of tongues must withold that ministry in the case of a lack of interpretation and must be careful to do it single-file so to speak.

But in the case of Prophecy -- even if one is standing and giving a revelation that must BE SEATED if anyone sitting is given a revelation.

That only works if it is a supernatural event totally owned by God.

Not as in preaching - but as in Stephen suddenly seeing Christ standing at the right hand of the Father or John on Patmos being in the spirit on the Lord's Day and being taken into vision.

As God said "I WILL make myself knows to prophets in a vision or dream".

My thinking is that this statement from God is "gold" when it comes to understanding that unique gift.

In 1Cor 12 prophecy is a very different gift from pastoring or teaching.

In Christ,

Bob

 

I've heard far too many Christians speak of prophecy as supernatural, folks in a sort-of trance-like state uttering what's going to happen next Tuesday, next year, describing what is going to happen in personal relationships ~~ some receive a "word of knowledge" and utter words in an unknown tongue. I have observed many. I have seen none come true.

To prophesy means to speak or to write. Holy men of old spake; scriptures are God-breathed. It is inspired speech. My speech or song before a congregation is inspired. I'm a messenger.

The writers of old wrote, even through or in the book of John. Here's a neat translation:

"... if you read the books of the Prophets and God's Law (the Law of Moses) closely, you will see them culminate in John, teaming up with him in preparing the way for the Messiah of the Kingdom. Looked at in this way, John is the 'Elijah' you've all been expecting to arrive and introduce the Messiah."

Start reading from Matthew 11:1. Who is Jesus talking to? His Jewish followers. He's addressing the Nation of Israel, as well: the Kingdom is at hand! That's what He's offering. He's their King and He's ready to set up the Kingdom. He is sending his messengers forth to preach, to tell, to evangelize, to witness. He is equipping them to do so.

Supernatural predictions of the future are not for today. God could choose to utter a future prediction through someone today, but it would more than likely be a rare occurrence, indeed. Much more likely is inspired speech. I heard a pastor say that within ten years there will be no Christian church buildings. They will all be closed. Supernatural prediction? No. Simply reading the deplorable signs of the times, and inspired to say something about them.

Our avenue of meeting today and tomorrow head on is prayer, not supernatural predicting.

 

Hey, what did I do? I thought you were my friend HP. :tear:
:laugh:

 

NO text of scripture says that anyone who speaks is a prophet.

NO text of scripture says that anyone who writes is a prophet.

To find the definition of a prophet you have to go to the Bible and read what it says about it.

Hence my quote of God's statement on this subject in the book of Numbers -- instead of just "making stuff up".

In Christ,

Bob

 

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