Protestants still follow the pope

Grahame:
"He rose again that we may be justified before God. .... Has our Lord died in vain? He created one day in the week for our rest and regeneration and we insist on making it a day of labour."

GE:

"He rose again that we may be justified before God....." Ever given it a thought, why, "In the Sabbath's fulness of daylight it being the First Day before . . ."? Because "THUS", in Christ and through Him, in resurrection from the dead and through resurrection from the dead, "God finished all, HIS, WORKS, upon the Seventh Day". Thus He 'created' or "made", "the Sabbath, in Jesus' own words.
Now come you and make it the first or any other of the days of the week, and feel so good.

You show me where you get "He created one day in the week for our rest and regeneration" from in the Bible, and I'll lend you a more sympathetic ear. Because the Bible is it that says God made the Sabbth for His own rest and for His own regeneration. Sundayists never think of it; it is they who "insist on making it a day of labour" -- their, own labour, while God is it who insists on making it THE day of HIS "own rest". That is Bible, not human wining by reason of his own neglect of duty..

 

GE:
This getting monotonous and very boring, you just saying over and over again your old misquotes. I showed you the actual Scripture; answer me on that if you can. Again: answer what stands there plainly in the AV, in Knoch's, in Young's, in the ASV (if I think of the right one), in Marshall's, in Tyndale's, in AT Robertson, and, in the GREEK. Then try repeat your echoeing the Sundayists' distortion of Mt28:1.

 

GE:
I tend to agree with you Abraham knew of the Seventh Day Sabbath, but by inference merely, for in the rest of the Scriptures it is clear God revealed His Sabbath Day where and when he led out the captives from bondage into freedom. Goad also called Abraham to come out of his fatherland and to inherit the Promised Land; therefore I can see howcome God would have revealed His Day of Rest to Abraham too. But I cannot see it otherwise. Abraham have not yet received the Law in the form of the TC -- he received in the Promise of the messiah only -- and that was enough for a true knowledge of the Sabbath. Some people today still need to learn that.

 

GE:
Just hear yourself here: that, is scared man.

 

GE:
I watch our 'boeresport' this side of the ocean, rugby, on the Sabbath Day. Why not? Because it is God's Day of Rest and therefore also man's day to rest? Well, if I so rest and am rejuvinated? (Nowadays more distressed because we do so badly!)
Let me make myself clear once more: The Sabbath is one day specifically, the Day of God's choice and of no man's, the Seventh Day of the week, the Day upon which HE, finished, all, His, works, and therein rested, and blessed, and sanctified, and created, the Day the Sabbath of the LORD your God. So He raised Christ from the dead in the Sabbath, so we His People, may rest too in Him, upon this Day the Lord's Day.
In this way the Seventh Day of the week became the day of God's worship as man's duty.
Although I watch my rugby on the Lord's Day (Saturday) I worshipped Him first to the best of my ability which ALWAYS falls short of perfection, nevertheless and despite, in Him, Jesus Christ, before God is offered an acceptable human, fallible offering in thankfulness and joy. I ENJOY God's Sabbath, simply. That enjoyment will so much be the poorer without Congregational worship. I am a pauper; I yearn the richness of God through Christ. That's why I gladly receive His Sabbath Day, for the reaching after His riches in and through Jesus Christ.

 

Grahame:
"I believe that Christ is our Sabbath. The Sabbath is the shadow, the type of things to come, "

GE:
C=S; S=(s+t); Therefore, C=s+t.

???

 

Grahame:
" I wonder how these rules of the Sabbath, whatever day it falls on, can be applied to doctors and nurses and the emergency services? And also the electricity companies and other services and professions which we in this modern age depend upon? "

GE:

The Sabbath is not about our works, but about God's. Ultimately the Sabbath became the fulfilment-day of "ALL the works of God", even of all His works "God spake thus concerning the Seventh Day" -- "through the Son ... in these last days". Then because of all God's "Energy exercised" (Eph1:19) upon this day the Seventh of the week "WHEN He raised Christ from the dead", it is CONCLUDED: "IF THEN JESUS HAD GIVEN THEM REST", and, "SEEING HE HAS ENTERED INTO HIS OWN REST AS GOD IN HIS OWN (or 'at rest'), "THEREFORE BECAUSE OF IT a keeping of the Sabbath Day remains valid for the People of God."

This should answer to every reasonable man, the above question. I cannot see an honest person's conscience accusing him for working good works on this day the Day of God's own UTMOST working and refraining from selfish, profit-inclined 'own' works, if for him the Sabbath is about God's "own rest".

 

DHK:
"For what I posted is what I have read in almost every commentary that I came across on the subject."

GE:
This explains your viewpoint. You don't think you'll ever find a commentary against tradition? In the second place, how recent are these commentaries etc? I don't think of very long ago.

Now I have exhausted the dictionaries and commentaries and originals available to me from (as I have before said) the best library in South Africa and I think one of the best in the world, the Hans Merensky Library of the University of Pretoria. Bu cross-referencing them, I think I may say I have about consulted the full range of sources on the subject of the Texts involved from the earliest (+-fifteen hundreds) up to the 1970's? These were scientific stuff, not prejudiced parotting of the popular. Part of my investigation can be found at http://www.biblestudents.co.za, the book, 'The Lord's Day in the Covenant of Grace'. (I can't remember how many volumes and pages). TRUE SCHOLARS SAY WHAT I HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU -- not fame-seekers.

 

GE:

Sure,Bob. I also believe so, sincerely. But it won't be of any avail to lie about my fulfilling the absolute will of God concerning His Sabbath Day. I confess I'm a complete failure. I very much long for the day I shall keep the Sabbath at the feet of Jesus Christ on the New Earth -- maybe sitting next to you? who knows? God be praised we may entertain such hope!

 

You say, I "don't keep it (the Sabbath) anyway".
It isn't true. I do keep it the best I can - which to man may be not keeping it anyway - but to God in Jesus Christ is reckoned no less than perfect - it is grace, you see I live by and under.

But I don't like talking about me or us, 'keeping' the Sabbath - for it is God's Sabbath and in His keeping - yes in fact this day He is so jealous and particular about He protects it with His Word of Oath. People get the jitters so angry they get when hearing it.

Second 'but': But I BELIEVE, "THE SEVENTH DAY THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD". 'Keeping the Sabbath' of the best of men is nothing to the believing of the Lord's Day of the weakest of men. The first is self-centred; the last is Christ-centred. So I enjoy been classed with the bad keepers. You don't offend me; you complement me.

GE:

"... he is not talking about ... keeping the Sabbath day. He is talking about salvation. "There remaineth a rest for the people of God". That is what he is saying."

Sure the writer talks about the rest that Christ worked out for us. Sure he is not talking about our, or the Jews' keeping of the Sabbath Day. He is in fact talking about salvation. Throughout the chapter and context that is what he is saying.

BUT - again - then the writer CONCLUDES: "ThereFORE there remaineth a KEEPING OF the Sabbath Day for the people of God".
It is silly to say Jesus had given us and Jesus had entered into His own rest as God in His own, while that rest still remains for us to enter into. We have entered it through and in Jesus already, and that is why a keeping remains obligatory for us the people of God of God's Day of Rest the Sabbath Day.

And it would have been even sillier of the writer to say he who has entered into the rest must enter into the rest yet -- which is what your 'version' makes the writer to say. No, the writer isn't silly, and shows he isn't by using a completely different word than the word 'rest' which he has so lavishly employed throughout the chapter. I have said it before, but must remind you once more, the writer had an ample vocabulary; he knew which words to use where. So don't come with your amateurish audacity in defiance of simple facts of truth. The writer says a "sabbatismos" remains -- NOT an "ana/katapausis". Ana/katapausis is what both the Lord Jesus had entered into already, and now upon the strength of it, "there remains valid for the People of God a keeping of the Sabbath Day". That is what he saying, once, but once enough.

 

Grahame:

"Unfortunately you have this bee in your bonnet about keeping the Sabbath"

GE:

In one chapter of the Bible, God says seven times that His People insulted Him by not respecting His Sabbath Day -- SEVEN TIMES! It sounds like He had .... no I won't be that disrespectful.

But Grahame has got a bee in his bonnet too, that he will not mind God's Day for His People, ha, ha, ha!

 

DHK:

"The day of rest was meant for a day of rest and refreshing (spiritually) for the soul. By engaging in such profane activities you have violated the Sabbath. You have wilfully condoned others in breaking the Sabbath (those playing the sport), and yet your conscience doesn't bother you. What hypocrisy! You say you keep the Sabbath holy? Is watching sports holy? God forbid that such ungodly activity should be considered holy! The profanity, the revelry, the loose and immoral lives of most sports players, and the immoral wages that they are paid...HOLY!!!! Certainly you have more sense than this. I have lost all respect for you who claims to keep the Sabbath holy. You would have been stoned under OT law."

GE:

O lord judge DHK, forgive me my offence, o merciful compassionate master redeemer?

Have I not read somewhere DHK wrote even a man dying in the act of adultary is saved? But his poor Sabbath-breaker found no compassion in his great heart!