Psalms In The Message

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  1. Rippon

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    I will list some not so functionally-equivalent renderings . I'll just give the chapter from which the wordings are found . I will only be giving phrases ,( most of the time ) not entire verses .This can be like a game to determine what verse it can in a most tortuous fashion be found .

    Chapter 6 : Treat me nice for a change ; I'm so starved for affection .

    Chapter 8 : I look up at your macro-skies , dark and enormous , your handmade sky-jewelry , Moon and stars mounted in their settings . Then I look at my micro-self and woder , Why do you bother with us ? Why take a second look our way ?

    Chapter 10 : Time to get up Yahweh -- get moving .

    Chapter 11 : Once we're standing tall , we can look him straight in the eye .

    Chap. 17 : My words don't run loose .

    Chap. 18 : When I got my act together .

    Chap. 19 : The decisions of Yahweh are accurate down to the nth degree .

    21 : You purge the earth of their progeny

    22: punctuate it with Hallelujahs

    Various renderings from Chapter 25

    You won't embarrass me , will you ?

    Don't embarrass any of us Who went out on a limb for you

    Mark the milestones of your mercy and love , Yahweh

    Forget that I sowed wild oats

    Yaheh , give your people a break From this run of bad luck .

    Selections from Chapter 29

    Bravo , Yahweh , Bravo ! Gods and all angels shout , "Encore !"

    Yahweh's thunder tympanic, Yahweh's thunder symphonic .
     
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    If the original composer of a psalm could press charges against Peterson for copyright infringement, there would be some chance that Peterson would be let off.

    Some of the saying are quite original and fresh.

    A David Psalm

    1–2 Please, God, no more yelling,

    no more trips to the woodshed.

    Treat me nice for a change;

    I’m so starved for affection.

    2–3 Can’t you see I’m black-and-blue,

    beat up badly in bones and soul?

    God, how long will it take

    for you to let up?

    4–5 Break in, God, and break up this fight;

    if you love me at all, get me out of here.

    I’m no good to you dead, am I?

    I can’t sing in your choir if I’m buried in some tomb!


    Psalm 6:1-4 The Message

    Snipped from the Introduction:
    "The Message is a reading Bible. It is not intended to replace the excellent study Bibles that are available. My intent here (as it was earlier in my congregation and community) is simply to get people reading it who don’t know that the Bible is read-able at all, at least by them, and to get people who long ago lost interest in the Bible to read it again. But I haven’t tried to make it easy—there is much in the Bible that is hard to understand. So at some point along the way, soon or late, it will be important to get a standard study Bible to facilitate further study. Meanwhile, read in order to live, praying as you read, “God, let it be with me just as you say.” "
    —Eugene H. Peterson (2002). The Message : The Bible in Contemporary Language.

    Rob
     
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    I agree with both of your sentiments Rob. I just thought I would post the most surprising ones in this thread . These are the ones which I think deviate too far from the original . On another thread , at another time ,I'll list some of his lines which aren't that different from the NLTse . Still a bit too loose compared to the NASBU , but closer than many would expect .Other renderings of his aren't that bad . They may be too paraphrasic -- but still arresting .
     
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    30: He gets angry once in a while

    31: Take me seriously this time ! Get down on my level and listen,and please -- no procrastination !

    35: Out of sheer cussedness they set a trap to catch me

    Yahweh ,how long are you going to stand there doing nothing ?

    36 : God's love is meteoric , his loyalty astronomic, His purpose titantic , his verdicts oceanic .

    38 : Take deep breath ,Yahweh : calm down .

    39 : Give me a break , cut me some slack before it's too late and I'm out of here .
     
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    One of my favorites (maybe because I like prime rib!) :thumbs:

    Psalm 63:5, I eat my fill of prime rib and gravy; I smack my lips. It's time to shout praises!
     
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    "Take me seriously this time"? "Take deep breath ,Yahweh : calm down"? Whatever sort of ideas about God would someone who had never read the bible before get from reading words like those?
     
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    I agree with you David. I should have attached a warning statement with these snippets .I would steer a new believer or non-Christian away from this particular translation .
     
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    Sorry, Rippon, I didn't mean to suggest that you were giving "carte blanche" to "The Message"!
     
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    The Message is not one of my favorite versions.
    Hopefully those reading Peterson’s version would be interested enough to investigate another version as he suggests.

    In places the psalms are quite gritty.
    I don't want to jump the gun on Rippon but I have to say that my own personal devotional translations are closer to Petersons' than they are to the Authorized version.

    I’ll expose my vulnerable underbelly when I write this but one of my favorite psalms is #88.

    Peterson does an superior job portraying the agony of the supplicant.
    Here's a portion:

    blinded by tears of pain and frustration.
    9–12 I call to you, God; all day I call.
    I wring my hands, I plead for help.
    Are the dead a live audience for your miracles?
    Do ghosts ever join the choirs that praise you?
    Does your love make any difference in a graveyard?
    Is your faithful presence noticed in the corridors of hell?
    Are your marvelous wonders ever seen in the dark,
    your righteous ways noticed in the Land of No Memory?

    Psalm 88:9-12 The Message

    Compare it to the AV

    Mine eye mourneth by reason of affliction:
    Lord, I have called daily upon thee,
    I have stretched out my hands unto thee.

    Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead?
    Shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah.

    Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave?
    Or thy faithfulness in destruction?

    Shall thy wonders be known in the dark?
    And thy righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?

    Psalm 88:9-12 AV 1873

    Certainly the message is bolder and more expressive in the first version.

    Rob
     
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    Yeah Rob . Don't jump the gun on me . Don't steal my thunder while you're at it either !

    Sometimes E.P. communicates the thoughts of the Psalmist wonderfully . In verse 9 it has "Yahweh" , instead of "God" though .
     
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    Again , the numbers refer to the chapters . I'll let you guess the verses to which these more surprising wordings could possibly refer .

    40
    Soften up , Yahweh , and intervene

    You can do it; you've got what it takes --

    41
    Blessed is Yahweh, Israel's God , always , always , always . Yes. Yes. Yes .

    42
    I want to drink God , deep draughts of God .

    45
    the king is wild for you .

    47
    Applause , everyone . Bravo , bravissimo !

    48
    Your name , God , evokes a train of Hallelujahs wherever It is spoken , near and far

    50
    lying is a serious art form with you [ EP is referencing the wicked , not God here ]

    Time's up for playing fast and loose with me . [ I can just imagine how you folks might apply that one .]

    51
    in the wrong since before I was born. [ WD won't like that one ]

    Tune me in to foot-tapping songs , set these once-broken bones to dancing .

    54
    Treating people like a fast-food meal over which they're too busy to pray ?

    58
    their first words out of the womb are lies .[ see 51 ]

    Let them dissolve into snail slime

    59
    Bring them down in slow motion
     
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    What version are YOU really using? :laugh:

    I call to you, GOD; all day I call.
    Psalm 88:9 The Message [BibleGaitway LINK]

    Peterson, E. H. (2002). The Message : The Bible in Contemporary Language.
    Colorado Springs, Colo.: NavPress.
    Copyright 2005 Eugene H. Peterson.

    Rob
     
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    Rob , I haven't stopped laughing since I saw this a minute ago . Yeah , my 'version' must be quite loose compared to your more formally-equivalent version .
     
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    The numbers represent the chapters . It's up to you to discover the verse ( or phrase from the verse )it's referencing .

    61
    You've always given me breathing room

    62
    two times nothing is nothing

    63
    Those who are out to get me are marked out for doom

    66
    Road-tested us inside and out

    77
    Has God forgotten his manners ?[ I didn't write this stuff . I'm only reporting it .-- Rip ]

    78
    He let his pride go to the dogs

    79
    God , give us a break .

    Is he out to lunch ?

    80
    Get out of bed -- you've slept long enough !

    Give them a look that will kill !

    81
    don't worship the latest in gods .

    82
    make sure that the underdogs get a fair break

    83
    don't give me the silent treatment , O God .

    86
    Make a show of how much you love me so the bullies who hate me will stand there slack-jawed

    89
    You gave that old hag Egypt the back of your hand

    90
    treat your servants with kindness for a change .

    96
    Bravo , Yahweh , Bravo !

    Let Wilderness turn cartwheels

    98
    He remembered to love us , a bonus

    Let ocean breakers call out, "Encore!"

    101
    But no one who traffics in lies gets a job with me
     
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    The version of The Message on BibleGateway.com and in my bible software has the name Yahweh in only one place, Ezekiel 48:35.

    What version of the Message are you using?
    Are you sure yours is not a corrupt version?
    There is only one pure, undefiled, unadulterated and perfect Message.

    Rob
     
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    Okay , I get The Message -- you're a Message-Only kind of guy aren't you ?You don't want anyone messing with the one and only , genuine and original Message .
     
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    Continuing with snips from the Psalms with The Message .

    106
    provoked God with their insistent demands

    114
    the hills frolicked like spring lambs

    119
    I love traveling this freeway!

    They're bland as a bucket of lard , while I dance to the tune of your revelation .

    Oh , how I love all you've revealed ; I reverently ponder it all the day long .

    Your words are so choice , so tasty ; I prefer them to the best home cooking .

    I despise every deceitful detour .

    Your decisions are right on target .

    Salvation is only gibberish to the wicked because they've never looked it up in your dictionary .

    You keep everything running right .

    Let praise casade off my lips

    125
    corral them with the incorrigibles .

    135
    He does just as he pleases -- however , wherever , whenever.

    140
    let them drown in their own verbal poison

    141
    Treat my prayer as sweet incense rising

    Post a guard at my mouth , Yahweh,
    set a watch at the door of my lips.

    make them face the music.

    I only have eyes for you.

    all their demonic subterfuge.

    145
    everything he does is suffused with grace.

    the trademark on all his works is love .

    147
    He's not impressed with horsepower

    149
    festoons plain folks with salvation garlands !
     

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