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Discussion in 'Politics' started by poncho, Jan 27, 2013.
Scrutinizing violence’s ties to antidepressants
You sure put a lot of stock in blogs. Anyone can put one up and say anything. Doesn't make it true. I would not be surprised if this guy were a Scientologist. They push this idea.
I might take offense to your statement here if you weren't a person that puts so much stock in a proven liar.
But seeing as how you do put so much stock in a proven liar I'm just gonna laugh your statement off because that's all it deserves. :laugh:
Ah, but see, you are selective in which blogs you post. If they affirm your preconceived positions, you like them and trust them, regardless of the veracity of the blogger. If they disagree with your positions, you dismiss them. Confirmation bias at work.
Okay you got me fair and square MP. I am biased I admit it. I'm very biased when it comes to my rights and freedom.
But this isn't really about my bias at all is it? Because you're just as biased when it comes to your own preconceived notions so, with that being the case I think you're just afraid. Yep, I think you're afraid that questioning the role these drugs might be playing in mass shootings could cause people to question all the lies and propaganda your fascist heroes have been spreading real thick that the second amendment and guns are to blame.
Too bad you aren't as concerned with finding a real solution to mass killings as you are in following the party line.
And there is where you are wrong, yet again. No surprise.
I do think this angle needs exploration, and by the scientific community, not off their nut bloggers. And is it really cause and effect? Is there a correlation between the drugs and psychopathic behavior, or are these people on the drugs because they are already operating with the screws coming loose?
Double-blind studies and use of the scientific method will yield the answer; not some wacko with a computer blogging from his mom's basement.
An estimated 50 Million people are taking Prozac. I'd guess there are another 15 million taking other anti-depressants. It's going to be hard to prove a link between anti-depressants and violence.
Many of Dr. Breggin’s accomplishments as a reformer are documented in detail in The Conscience of Psychiatry: The Reform Work of Peter R. Breggin, M.D. (2009). This biographical tribute to Dr. Breggin’s work draws on more than half-a-century of media and more than 70 special contributions from his colleagues, as well as many other sources.
Dr. Breggin's background includes Harvard College, Case Western Reserve Medical School, a one-year internship and a three-year residency in psychiatry, including a teaching fellowship at Harvard Medical School. After his training, he accepted a two-year staff appointment at the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH). He has taught at several universities, including a faculty appointment to the Johns Hopkins University Department of Counseling and an appointment as Visiting Scholar at SUNY Oswego in the Department of Counseling and Psychological Services in 2007-2008. He now teaches as an Adjunct Professor in the Department of Counseling and Psychological Services at SUNY Oswego.
Since 1964 Dr. Breggin has been publishing peer-reviewed articles and medical books in his subspecialty of clinical psychopharmacology. He is the author of dozens of scientific articles and more than twenty professional books, many dealing with psychiatric medication, the FDA and drug approval processes, the evaluation of clinical trials, and standards of care in psychiatry. A few of the titles include Toxic Psychiatry (St. Martin’s, 1991), Talking Back to Ritalin (Perseus, revised, 2001), the Antidepressant Fact Book (Perseus, 2001) and the Ritalin Fact Book (Perseus, 2002). Others, such as The Heart of Being Helpful (1997), deal with how to help people through psychotherapy and other human services.
After looking at his resume it would seem the real nut is you. But if that still ain't enough for ya . . .
Comments on Dr. Breggin’s Reform Work
Dr. Peter Breggin is one of the most amazing, wise and compassionate human beings I have ever known. … Peter is a warrior of course, but as his core he is fueled much more by love, kindness and a genuine compassion than anger. Peter WANTS to help people, he LIVES to help people and that is the source of his power.
Candace Pert, Ph.D., former Research Professor at Georgetown University School of Medicine and author of Molecules of Emotion
Andrew Jackson said, “One man with courage makes a majority.” How well that describes Peter.
Milton Shore, Ph.D., former President of the American Orthopsychiatric Association; recipient of the American Psychological Association Award for Outstanding Professional Contributions.
Peter Breggin’s courageous, compassionate writings serve as a much-needed antidote to the genetic determinism and pro-drug bias of modern psychiatry and psychology.
John Horgan, author of The End of Science and The Undiscovered Mind
It is my pleasure to have known Peter R. Breggin, M.D., for over twenty-five years both as a student and a colleague. I do not exaggerate when I say that Peter Breggin was the brightest and most capable resident in the life of our residency program here at Upstate SUNY. Even then he displayed the scholarship, erudition, and most of all, the unique sensitivity to human values so vital to our field.
Robert Seidenberg, M.D., Clinical Professor of Psychiatry, State University of New York, Syracuse, New York
Peter Breggin is the conscience of American psychiatry! … In short, Peter Breggin has made a difference in the fields of psychiatry, psychology, and mental health treatment. He has made a difference to many patients whose treatment has been less destructive and more helpful, including thousands of people who would otherwise have been lobotomized, and to many more in creating hope that one can receive and once can practice treatments that actually help people.
Bertram Karon, Ph.D., Professor of Psychology, Michigan State University and author of The Psychotherapy of Schizophrenia
Every child needs a hero—a champion who will speak truth to power. That hero is Peter Breggin. When he writes on behalf of children and caring parents, the world should stand up and take notice.
Jeffrey Moussaieff Mason, Ph.D., former Projects Director of the Freud Archives and author of bestsellers about psychology and life including Dogs Never Lie About Love and When Elephants Weep
Breggin’s books on the damage caused by electroshock and psychiatric drugs were decidedly different from those of Szasz, Goffman, and Laing in their specificity and concreteness. … For this reason, his work probably has had more direct impact on the understanding and behavior of practitioners and patients, perhaps more than all the other theorists combined.
T. J. Scheff, Ph.D., Professor, Department of Sociology, University of California-Santa Barbara
You might wanna try a different angle. Attacking this messenger is only making you look foolish cuz this guy is anything but a run of the mill blogger.
Pick up a package and read the label. Violence and suicide are already known side effects.
Wonder how many mass killers have been on anti depressants and were also addicted to violent video games.
Sounds like a lethal combination.
What am I thinking??? :tonofbricks:
Those guns chose their own targets and pulled their own triggers. Let's punish the guns and every law abiding citizen that owns one of those evil contraptions.
Pharmacist Exposes Deadly Antidepressants
Yeah MP I already know this guy isn't the expert you are on this topic but I understand how busy you are towing the line for Obama so you haven't got the time to explain it all properly to us dummies so we have to rely on less educated people to give us the details.
OK, in what percentage of cases?
I'm not sure anyone knows the answer to that.
Is there an acceptable number? I mean clearly the drug companies know these drugs can and do cause violent and suicidal tendencies in people. So do the doctors who prescribe them.
What percentage of the population are on these drugs? I don't know but it seems like 7 out 10 people I know personally are either currently taking them or have taken them. The doctors hand them out like they were M&Ms.
We now have a whole generation that have grown up taking these drugs. What percentage of those people are going to commit violent acts or commit suicide?
My youngest brother was prescribed anti depressants. He went from a hard working happy go lucky kid to a zombie that couldn't feel any emotion. He was 28 years old when he ended his own life. Was it the drugs or something else? I don't know. I do know that he was a different person altogether after he started taking them.
What are the percentages? Maybe I'm not the right guy to ask. How much would the percentages matter to you if one of your loved ones ended up a statistic?