Public execution of Wednesday and Friday Crossites

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  1. Gerhard Ebersoehn

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    In all fairness (overburdening to the jury), having been given free reign and ample opportunity in self-defense and as much rope as they wished to hang themselves with ... No further mercy given!
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    All Wednesday and Friday Crossites are sentenced to be THRASHED, SHREDDED AND TRASHED!
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    ... with immediate effect ...

    Ken:
    Why Wednesday crucifixion?
    Because it makes sense! Three days AND three nights. Not 2 days and one night, like the Catholics want you to believe.. It was Jewish LAW for a person to be dead for three days AND three nights in order to be certified LEGALLY dead. That's why Jesus left Lazarus until the 3 days expired! So people would know he was INDEED dead! Then the miracle came! Makes sense? Sure it does! There were 2 preparation days and two Sabbaths that week.

    Red:
    Adventist dont teach, preach, or believe in this, this is just a absolute fallacy.

    Voice:
    The reason the large majority of us SDAs believe it was Friday is because of Roman Catholic Tradition; tradition which goes all the way back to the Babylonian Mysteries. This idea of Jesus dying on Friday has its ROOTS in the luciferian feasts of Easter & Christmas, particularly the concept of 'Good Friday'.
    "About 200 B.C. mystery cults began to appear in Rome just as they had earlier in Greece. Most notable was the Cybele cult centered on Vatican hill... Associated with the Cybele cult was that of her lover, Attis (the older Tammuz, Osiris, Dionysus, or Orpheus under a new name). He was a god of ever-reviving vegetation. Born of a virgin, he died and was reborn annually. The festival began as a day of blood on Black Friday and culminated after three days in a day of rejoicing over the resurrection." Gerald L. Berry, "Religions of the World," Barns & Noble,(1956).
    As we can see Good Friday(Black Friday as it was originally called) has no connection whatsoever to Jesus Christ. It is Satanic. When the Catholic Church brought the worship of Sunday, Christmas, and Easter into 'Christianity' in the 4th Century AD, Black Friday simply became Good Friday and it was said this was the day on which Christ died.
    You are correct in stating that Jesus was crucified on the 4th day(Wednesday) rather than on the 5th(Friday).
    First we are told in John 19:31 "for that sabbath day was an high day". The Sabbath for which the Jews were preparing was a High Sabbath, the Sabbath of Passover, and not a regular 7th day Sabbath.
    Furthermore, speaking to the Pharisees, Jesus stated, "there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: for as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Matthew 12:39,40. No how much man may attempt to misconstrue this statement by Christ, three days and three days means three full days and three full nights just as in Genesis an evening and morning meant a full evening and a full morning.
    To top this off, Jesus being crucified on Wednesday has been ASTRONOMICALLY confirmed.[cut]
    I pray that whoever reads this may not become bitter as the manner of some is but may depart from Satanic traditions and accept plain Biblical truth of 'It is written'.

    Pion:
    IGNORANCE RUNS RAMPANT ON THIS FORUN WITH THE EVANGELICAL/SDA'S
    tHE MOST REVEALING THING IS SHOWN IN THIS VERSE...MATT. 20:19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify [him]:
    and the third day he shall rise again.
    IT does not say in three days, nor is it meaning 24 hours from then the subject was crucified. The point being in Jewish reckoning any part of a day was considered a day whither it was 1 hour or 5 hours or 20 or 24 any part of a day was considered a day. So and the third day he shall rise again.
    Besides everyone knows history proves that he was hung on THE CROSS ON Friday and they did not have time to anoint his body before sundown. Also history proves that he rose on the first day of the week everyone knows that is Sunday regardless what pagan names were given to the days Sunday is the first day of the week.
    These WEDNESDAY CRUCIFICTION fools will argue till Christ comes in the clouds they are doing it for no real purpose except to do away with the Sabbath connection.
    DO NOT CAST PEARLS BEFORE SWINE!

    Fisher:
    The Wednesday crucifixion makes the case for SABBATH so much STRONGER!.
    The Catholics deliberately fooled you to help you keep Sunday instead of Romans 6:3-5!
    Where did you get the idea of Roman inclusive reckoning when a PECIFIC TIME PERIOD was established such as THREE 12 hour DAYS PLUS THREE 12 hour NIGHTS?
    That was totally different than the way birthdays were recognized. Try and reason like a Christian and not like a REDNECK!
    Did you discover during your "research" that, according to Roman jurisprudence, a person HAD TO BE DEAD for 3 days and 3 nights in order to be certified legally dead?
    THAT is why Jesus resurrected Lazarus only on the 4th dat....so everyone would know the miracle was REAL!
    You need to study OUTSIDE the SDA box and look at some of the good articles on the Internet under WEDNESDAY CRUCIFIXION. Or is the Internet from Satan?

    GE:
    Kingfisher, you should have stayed in your <<SDA box>> -- it was much better than your current cage of disinformation.

     
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    Reg:

    Pioneer wrote ---- any part of a day represents a day in Jewish
    reckoning, in other words inclusive reckoning .--------
    I go along with that but I don’t believe in a full 72 hours.
    Now you believe the 2 Sabbaths fell together, the lamb was to be killed on the first day of unleavened bread –Mark 14:12—Ex 12:6:18 that day and Passover were the same 24hrs passover was at midnight in Ex 12: 29,and began when the sun set on the 14th and the lamb was eaten that SAME night – Ex 12:8—and the feast of unleavened bread started at daylight and so did the Exodus.
    Now you have to count your 3 days from the beginning of passover which you claim started on Friday night at sunset that when the 2 Sabbaths began that your starting point. Inclusive reckoning so Sabbath is day one, Sunday doesn’t look good for day 3.
    Friday believers forget a day has 2 halves Evening and Morning or (day)–Gen 1:5—Jesus said there was only 12 Hours in a day –John 11:9,-- and when He nominates 3 days or after 3 days or in 3 days He is nominating all of 1 day and at least part of the first and last day not like all Friday Crucifixionists
    1 hour on Friday ----------1 day
    All Sabbath night----------1 night
    All Sabbath day----------2nd day
    Only the dark half of Sunday-----2nd night
    But you have to cut that in half you have not got a text for a Friday internment so you lose Friday Matthew 27:51, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:53,54, John 19:31, are all after sunset and Christ would still have to be on the cross when the 15th of Nisan began as the last rays of the sun set on Friday that’s when the blueprint in Ex 12 began and it all happened in the same 24hr period.
    Now you are down to one night and one day because those 24 bibles on Mat 28;1 SAY THE 2 Marys arrived at Sunset at the tomb and it was empty.
    I hope you reply if you disagree that biblical answers not with what you may have believed but the word of God. The bible has to interpret itself not from any other sauce


    Voice:

    The reason the large majority of us SDAs believe it was Friday is because of Roman Catholic Tradition; tradition which goes all the way back to the Babylonian Mysteries. This idea of Jesus dying on Friday has its ROOTS in the luciferian feasts of Easter &Christmas, particularly the concept of 'Good Friday'.
    "About 200 B.C. mystery cults began to appear in Rome just as they had earlier in Greece. Most notable was the Cybele cult centered on Vatican hill... Associated with the Cybele cult was that of her lover, Attis (the older Tammuz, Osiris, Dionysus, or Orpheus under a new name). He was a god of ever-reviving vegetation. Born of a virgin, he died and was reborn annually. The festival began as a day of blood on Black Friday and culminated after three days in a day of rejoicing over the resurrection." Gerald L. Berry, "Religions of the World," Barns & Noble,(1956).
    As we can see Good Friday(Black Friday as it was originally called) has no connection whatsoever to Jesus Christ. It is Satanic. When the Catholic Church brought the worship of Sunday, Christmas, and Easter into 'Christianity' in the 4th Century AD, Black Friday simply became Good Friday and it was said this was the day on which Christ died.
    You are correct in stating that Jesus was crucified on the 4th day(Wednesday) rather than on the 5th(Friday).
    First we are told in John 19:31 "for that sabbath day was an high day". The Sabbath for which the Jews were preparing was a High Sabbath, the Sabbath of Passover, and not a regular 7th day Sabbath.
    Furthermore, speaking to the Pharisees, Jesus stated, "there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: for as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." Matthew 12:39,40. No how much man may attempt to misconstrue this statement by Christ, three days and three days means three full days and three full nights just as in Genesis an evening and morning meant a full evening and a full morning.
    To top this off, Jesus being crucified on Wednesday has been ASTRONOMICALLY confirmed. [cut]
    I pray that whoever reads this may not become bitter as the manner of some is but may depart from Satanic traditions and accept plain
    Biblical truth of 'It is written'.

    Sam:

    Jesus said Three days AND Three nights. He never said two days and one night. The Wednesday truth only further DISPROVES the Catholic Sunday to celebrate the resurrection. The resurrection was late Sat PM and NOT on the first day. Early Sunday morning, Jesus was ALREADY resurrected.
    Now Bird-person: do you mean the Holy Spirit speaks through Ellen White to explain difficult Bible verses like John 10:22,23 or does He speak to you in person? Could I give you a few verses to ask the Holy Spirit to explain to you? And then you tell us what He said?

    Bird:

    In Heb a part of a day is counted as a whole
    Give you something to study and look up.
    Thurs. nite [1] Fri. nite [2] Sat. nite [3]
    Fri [1] Sat.[2] Sun [3]

    Voice:

    Let's for a minute ASSUME that Jesus was crucified on Friday and see how this line of reasoning plays out.
    Where are you getting thursday night from? Matthew 27:46,50 state,
    "And about the NINTH HOUR Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."
    In our reckoning of time the 'ninth hour' would be equivalent to 3:00 PM. Sunset usually takes place around 6:00 PM in Israel. Assuming that Joseph of Arimathaea and the Jews managed to lay Jesus in the tomb before sundown on Friday, let's count out the 3 days and 3 nights, using the principle that any part of a day counts as a whole day:
    1st day - Friday Day
    1st night - Friday Night(Beginning of Sabbath)
    2nd day - Sabbath Day
    2nd night - Saturday Night(Beginning of the first day of the week)
    3rd day -?
    3rd night -?
    We seem to have run out of days and nights.
    John 20:1 further assures us that Jesus had already risen from the dead while it was still dark on Sunday, "The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre." Hence, you cannot use the day-part of Sunday to add to the formula.
    Yours and Terri's line of reasoning only further proves that according to His own words in Matthew 12:39,40 Jesus could NOT have been crucified and died on Friday.
    As I pointed out earlier, the Bible clearly specifies in John 19:31 that the day after Passover was to be a High Sabbath, "for that sabbath day was an high day". A High Sabbath was a special day for the Jews, which took place during one of the first six days of the week and was associated with one of the Jewish Feast Days. The Lord commanded the Israelites to treat that day as you would the 7th-day Sabbath, hence the term 'High Sabbath'.
    It is clear from the Word, from astronomy, and from your own reasoning that Jesus did NOT die on Friday. Why is it so hard for the professed followers of Christ to accept correction and admit they were in error? This is and will be the bane of most Christians, and particularly, most SDAs.

    Bird:

    where was Christ Thur. nite?
    In the Garden Christ was in the realm of Satan
    Satan's realm is the grave or hell.
    trial run by Satan was thur. nite
    nailed to Cross 9AM time of the Morning Sacrifice
    Died 3PM the time of the evening Sacrifice [O.T.]
    Reason is He was the Lamb, and it had to be at those times to fulfill all the things pertaining to Him
    Most people want to leave out the Garden and Trial because it does not fit their thinking.
    Thur. nite [1] Fri.nite [2] Sat.nite [3]
    Fri.day [1] Satday [2] Sun day [3]
    you come up with 3 days 3 nites. and that matches all the texts pertain to Christ and His Crucificion and Ressurection

    Voice:

    I really hope you were joking in posting this.
    "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: in whom the god of THIS WORLD hath blinded the minds of them which believe not." 2 Corinthians 4:3,4
    Trial run? You are making up doctrines in an attempt to defend an unBiblical belief. Put self aside friend, and accept a plain 'Thus Saith The LORD'.

    Robert:

    It is part of three different days.
    Remember the evening and the morning are the ONE DAY.
    So it is only saying THREE DIFFERENT DAYS.
    Friday,Saturaday & Sunday.

    Bird:

    No I believe you do not understand.
    Sundown thur [thur. nite ] is the first nite for it is Friday.
    that is how the Sabbath is. Sundown Fri. nite is Saturday
    God said and the evening and the morning were the day.
    with those Words thur. nite is part of Fri.
    I quoted Scripture on the days, but you dont believe.
    Check Gen 1 out and see how God set it up, but maybe God was wrong in doing it that way.

    GE:

    SINCE WHEN do SDAs reason like you here do, Bird?
    SDAs have never before done what you are doing here with <<Thur. nite [1]>> and <<In the Garden>>.
    This is a newbie!
    And I know where it comes from. The SDAs stole it from the Thursday Crucifixion. They PLAGIARIZE FRAUDULENTLY SUITING THEIR OWN LIE.
     
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    I find it interesting to read what you say is what & why 'Roman' Catholics believe what they believe about Christ death and resurrection. Here is just how it was explained to us in our recent 'Roman' Catholic bible study: Matthew 12:40 "For just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth". First, this is more than just a matter of Jesus using imprecise or “poetic” language. His expression is precisely the way a Jewish person would express this. He is being “literal”, in Jewish terms.

    Two principles to start with:

    (a) A Jewish day starts at sunset. In other words, night comes first, followed by day. Passover occurs on the 14th day (as we would put it) of the month of Nissan, but that day actually began at sunset the night before – to us, that is the previous day, but not to a Jew. Therefore the night of 14th Nissan is followed by the day of 14th Nissan.

    (b) Reckoning of time is inclusive, i.e. if even a few minutes of any day is included in a time period, then the convention is to speak as if the entire day were included. Note that our prepositions “after”, “on” and “by” which contain such very different temporal meanings are not important to a Jew in the same way as they are determinative for us.

    The difference in way of thinking is illustrated by this passage:

    “The next day, the one after Preparation Day, the chief priests and the Pharisees went to Pilate. “Sir,” they said, “we remember that while he was still alive that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise again.’ So give the order for the tomb to be made secure until the third day. Otherwise, his disciples may come and steal the body and tell the people that he has been raised from the dead. This last deception will be worse than the first” [Matthew 27:62-64]

    From a western point of view, the Chief Priests are being stupid – they only seek a guard until the third day, yet Jesus had said he will rise “after three days”. So the disciples can just come in and filch the body on the fourth day, after the guard is withdrawn, right?

    Wrong! The chief priests know exactly what they are doing. If Jesus dies on day 1, then in order to fulfil his prophecy his body has to disappear by the end of day 3, which means sunset on day three because the day always follows the night. Our translations of “after three days” misses the point that in Semitic thinking these expressions all mean the same thing. As long as the Chief Priests have guards who can testify, “That body was still in the grave at sunset on day three” then Jesus’ prophecy has failed.

    Another example is in Acts 10:30 – the NIV translates this as: “Cornelius answered: “Three days ago I was in my house praying at this hour…”. Now that is a clear mistranslation – the original Greek has Cornelius stating: “Four days ago I was in my house praying…”

    Which is correct, three days or four? The answer is both, depending on what idiom you are using. We know from the detail in the Acts account that, in western terms, Cornelius received his dream exactly three days before he spoke to Peter. So, if Cornelius received his vision at 3pm on a Monday, he was now speaking to Peter at 3pm on the Thursday – three days later, in western terms. But in Jewish terms it was four days – parts of Monday and Thursday, plus the two days in between, means four full days, because if part of the day is included, then the whole day must be included when one speaks of the number of days. Hence Cornelius says “Four days ago” but the NIV correctly translates this as “Three days ago” so as not to confuse westerners.

    So now, back to Jesus remaining in the heart of the earth for “three days and three nights”:

    Jesus was crucified at some point on Friday 14th Nissan. Was it before or after sunrise? The short answer is, that does not matter because 14th Nissan began at sunset the previous day. Thus Jesus was crucified on Passover – the same Passover he had celebrated the previous night. He was dead before the end of 14th Nissan. He lay in the ground for all of 15th Nissan – what we would call Saturday, but to a Jewish person that means Friday night + Saturday. He rose again on 16th Nissan – what we would call Sunday, but to a Jewish person that day began at sunset the previous day. And if even a part of a day is included, then the whole day is included – and “day” includes the previous night as well.

    Thus it is literally true (in Jewish idiom) that Jesus lay in the ground for three days and three nights. Jesus may have been dead for 26 hours (from one hour before sunset on Friday to one hour after sunset on Saturday), whereas Jonah may have been in the belly of the fish for 72 hours (e.g. from sunset on a Monday to sunset on a Thursday). But in Jewish idiom, both periods are the same - “three days and three nights”. If they wanted to express a difference in hours, there were other ways to do it.

    The problem raised by some you and others simply does not exist, as long as we think in Semitic terms.

    By the way, note the congruity with the sacrificial system of the Old Testament:

    * Jesus was sacrificed on 14th Nissan, Pesach or Passover.

    * He lay in the ground on 15th Nissan, which is a great Shabbat – not only a day of resting but also the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

    * He rose from the dead on 16th Nissan, the Feast of First Fruits, when the High Priest waves the sheaf of first grain before the Lord.

    He is both the sacrificial Passover lamb and the first fruits which usher us into the promised land.

    Of course, this is just 'Roman' Catholics trying to justify tying there Traditions to the Babylonian Mystery Religions, right??? NONSENSE!!!
     
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    Thanks very much for your reply.

    Re your last remark, What you have explained as the RC explanation, in fact is not only theirs, but also that of Protestantism --- the latter inherited it from their Roman Catholic forebears.

    At first when I read your answer, I thought, Ah, why worry going through the whole debate of almost 4000 returns back and forth (about 2000 New Roman 16 printed A4s MUCH of the wool, omitted!)—, let me just throw in the last part of the collection --- about 250 pages.

    But your post made me change my mind. Like 'the others'’ idea about them,, the RCs have a very limited idea about what is out there for sale in the rest of Christian trade zones, as I said, faked rubies at a conscience a piece are obtainable in unlimited quantities everywhere.

    This subject is VAST, sir Walter! VAST and DIVERS with as many ‘traditions’ and opinions as ‘churches’ and individuals together.

    Why so big an issue?

    Because it is about the HEART OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST.

    The debate about whether or not “~the three days and three nights~” are literal or ~idiom~ or ~inclusive~ or whatever of many other things, is but one small fleck on the skin of the BODY or HEART of this ‘truth’ all be it then one, of the “~Traditions tied to the Babylonian Mystery Religions~”.

    We shall see. But it won’t be soon. It cannot. Wait until you have seen what I am telling you. It’s VAST and taxing to say the least.


     
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    .... No, it will be just too much! I'll start at Part 8!

    Reg:
    the last supper was not a passover meal it was the night before passover Christ has to die before the passover the disciples won’t have the passover the next night on the 15th when Christ gave up his life after sunset He had to fulfil Ex 12 He would not give up His life until then He had that power
    I have several times explained the last supper but never comment the old covenant was to pass away the next day when Christ died and at the last he introduced the new covenant it was not a passover supper the bread represented His broken body for us the wine that night would never be unfermented represented his sinlessness and the washing of the feet represented humility which SDA,s still keep that we are all equals an represented his sinlessness and the washing of the feet represented humility which SDA,s still keep that we are all equals and should treat each other the same Read John 13 and 1 Cor 11:23-34 Christ spent that supper telling them that he was not going to be with them and how to remember Him till He comes again

    Alex:
    Agreed but would be better said as "the Last Supper was not a Passover meal - it was the night before Feast of the Passover/ULB 24 hours before - Christ had to die in the afternoon on 14 Nisan before the Feast of Passover. The disciples, though disheartened with the death of their Messiah probably had the Passover the next night on the 15th - hours after Christ gave up his life before sunset - on the 14 Nisan.

    GE:
    Alright with a few questions for you, Alex,
    Don’t you mean, “~the Last Supper was….the night before Feast of the Passover/ULB 24 hours~” later, instead of “~before~”?
    Naturally “~the disciples~” were “~disheartened with the death of
    their Messiah~”. But you must take into account their utter confusion and the chaos caused by the natural disasters of the earthquake and darkness and torn veil and fallen-in door-lintel of the gate into the sanctuary. So they “~probably~” would have had their passover meal “the first night” after on the 15th, when “it had become evening”– at three to four hours after Jesus had given his life “the ninth hour” before sunset : “~on the 14 Nisan~”.
    But they rather ALREADY after Jesus had died, would have gone into hiding in the room where Jesus the night after “that day” of “the First Day of the week”, found them “thronged-in-together-still behind closed doors for fear of the Jews”.
    It was ONLY Joseph—who is the only one MENTIONED—, who dared to ask Pilate for Jesus’ body.
    And it was ONLY Nicodemus—who is the only one MENTIONED, who later on in “the first night” of ULB, “also came to him (Joseph) there”, where the two of them “treated the body of Jesus” and prepared it for the grave.
    Not one of the twelve disciples came to or were present with them; Joseph and Nicodemus undertook alone; they were only the two of them—these two members of the Sanhedrin.
    They must have decided between themselves to obtain Jesus’ body with the view to bury him, most likely where under NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES as members of the Sanhedrin, they would have met for their passover meal together.
    In fact, that is what the Text says, “There came also Nicodemus to him (Joseph) who HAVING MET AT THE FIRST NIGHT (of ULB)”–‘ehlthen de kai Nikodehmos ho ELTHOHN pros auton NUKTOS TO PROHTON’.

    Alex:
    GE - seems ok - note original wording "the Last Supper was not a Passover meal - it was the night before Feast of the Passover/ULB 24 hours". On that we agree. Not sure why you wanted to further when you know I believe the Last Supper was 24 hours before Feast of the Passover/ULB.
    Reg:
    1 First evening beginning at twilight sun disappearing over horizon and stars visible first evening
    2 midnight halfway between sunset and sunlight first half of 24hours
    3 daylight morning twilight
    4 morning approximately 5 hours to midday 12 o’clock
    5 midday to sunset twilight is afternoon
    5 day completed at days end or 12 hours at evening
    Beginning of twilight second evening the 14th day AT EVEN is the 2nd evening sun has set lamb killed between the two evenings
    1 Luke 23:54 in Greek interlineal reads, and it was preparation and “a” sabbath was coming on NOT THE SABBATH
    2 Mat 27:62 the next day that followed the day of preparation the chief Priest and Pharisees came together unto Pilot
    3 Mark 15:42 now when evening had come because it WAS the preparation the day before sabbath
    4 John 19:31 say that Sabbath was a high day Sabbath the Jews called all ceremonial Sabbaths high day Sabbath, go to the Synagogue and ask the
    Rabi
    5 John 19:14 and it was the preparation of the passover
    6 John 19:42 add the Jews Passover was at hand
    7 John 11:55 same as John 19:42 and the Jews passover was at hand
    Now look at 3 other texts on prior
    1. feast days
    John 2:13 and the Jews passover was at hand and Jesus went to Jerusalem
    2. John 7:2 now the Jews feast of Tabernacles was at hand
    3. John 11:55 and the Jews Passover was nigh at hand out of all these texts Sabbath is only mentioned 3 times
    Mark 15:42 day before the Sabbath
    John 19:31 it was a high day Sabbath that is Luke 23”54 in Greek interlineal it is not 7th day Sabbath but ceremonial a small a Sabbath You only have one Sabbath mentioned against all of the other evidence
    John 12:1, 9th Nisan from Friday to Wednesday Preparation 14th
    Ex 12:3 10th day lamb was chosen killed on the first day of Passover Mark 14:12 between two evenings 15th at twilight 14th day AT even
    Evening of Thursday Mark 14:1,2-evening 1
    Thursday-Day 1
    Evening of Friday-evening 2
    Friday-Day 2
    Evening of Sabbath-evening 3
    Sabbath-Day 3
    Resurrection some time on Sabbath Mat 28:1 burial time probably 2 hours after sunset at the end of the 14th at twilight 15th Luke 23:50,54
    Now you show me the 7th day Sabbath in the bible that has preparation day before it the 6 times it is used are all on the passover and that is Wednesday

    GE:
    “On the Sixth Day they shall prepare.” Exodus 16:5.
    “The LORD hath given you the Sabbath; therefore He giveth you on the Sixth Day the bread of two days” or “bread to prepare for two days” or “bread to prepare for the Seventh Day….which is the Sabbath in which there shall be no bread given.” Exodus 16.
    “~preparation day before it the 6 times it is used are all on the passover~”
    “~preparation day… are all on the passover~”
    Yes and no….
    In Mark 15:42 the Sixth Day “The Preparation Day WHICH is the Fore-Sabbath had BEGUN.” It was the same day in John 19:31, “And since / because The Preparation Day had begun and because that (same) day was great-day-sabbath (of the passover), the Jews asked Pilate….”
    The SAME day began ENDING “by the time of the Jews’ preparations (for the Sabbath)” John 19:42, “when the women (Mary Magdalene and the other Mary) mid-afternoon the Sabbath approaching went home and prepared spices and afterwards rested the (Seventh Day) Sabbath according to the (Fourth) Commandment.” Luke 23:54-56.
    “Now the morning (of the Seventh Day Sabbath) which is after the Day of the Preparation (on the Sixth Day of the week) the chief priests and Pharisees gathered before Pilate….” Matthew 27:62.
    Mark 15:42, John 19:31, John 19:42, Luke 23:54-56 and Matthew 27:62—five times the SAME day (‘Friday), happened to be BOTH the “~preparation day~” before “~the 7th day Sabbath~”, and, were “~all on the passover~”--~the passover~ day “the first day (of) seven days (of) ULB”.
    FIVE times ‘Friday’ is “The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath” as well as “~the passover~” indeed the “great-day-sabbath-of” the passover.
    NOW IN STARKEST CONTRAST John stated in 19:14 that “It was The Preparation-OF-PASSOVER six o’clock in the morning” when Jesus was handed over to be crucified; and “it was The Preparation-OF-PASSOVER” STILL, its “ninth hour” of daylight mid-afternoon, when Jesus had DIED.
    That is another story all together than yours, Reg.
     
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    One must take into account the disciples’ utter confusion and the chaos caused by the natural disasters of the “darkness”[1], “earthquake”[2], “rent veil”[2], “opened graves”[3], and fallen-in door-lintel of the portal into the sanctuary[4]. So the disciples could impossible have had their passover meal “the first night”[5] “on the fifteenth”[6], after “when it had become evening already”[7] three to four hours after Jesus had given his life “the ninth hour”[8] before sunset[9] : “on the 14 Nisan” the day before.
    So the disciples rather even before Jesus had died, would have gone into hiding in the very room where two days after “when being evening regarding the First Day of the week, thronged-in-together-still behind closed doors for fear of the Jews”[10], Jesus found his disciples confused and in consternation, “disheartened with the death of their Messiah”.

    Therefore instead of Jesus’ disciples should have buried Him, God designed Joseph and Nicodemus would come forward and without the help of his disciples and in their absence, would bury Him in faith and obedience to God’s Laws of the Passover of Yahweh.[11]
    [1] Mark 15:33 Matthew 27:45 Luke 23:44
    [2] Matthew 27:51
    [3] Matthew 27:52
    [4] …
    [5] John 19:39
    [6] Leviticus 23:6
    [7] Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 John 19:31,38
    [8] Mark 15:33,34 Matthew 27:45,46 Luke 23:44
    [9] John 11:9
    [10] John 20:19
    [11] John 19:40 Exodus 12:10 Genesis 50:26 et al

    It was ONLY Joseph—who is the only one MENTIONED—, who dared to ask Pilate for Jesus’ body.
    And it was ONLY Nicodemus—who is the only one MENTIONED, who later on in “the first night” of ULB, “also came to him (Joseph) there”, where the two of them “treated the body of Jesus” and “prepared” it for the grave.

    Not one of the twelve disciples came to or were present “where” Pilate “had delivered” the body to and Joseph “then treated” it. Joseph and Nicodemus undertook alone; they were only the two of them—these two members of the Sanhedrin. Of all Jesus’ followers they were the only who were members of the Sanhedrin; perhaps that was why John could record,
    “There came also Nicodemus to him (Joseph) who having met at the first night (of ulb)”–‘ehlthen de kai Nikodehmos ho elthohn pros auton nuktos to prohton’.
    Under normal circumstances as members of the Sanhedrin, Joseph and Nicodemus most likely would have met for their passover meal-together, and there and then must between the two of them have decided to ask Pilate for Jesus’ body as well as for permission to bury him according to the Jews’ Ethics to Bury their Passover.
    In fact, that is what the Text states, “There came also Nicodemus to him (Joseph) who HAVING MET AT THE FIRST NIGHT (of ULB)”–‘ehlthen de kai Nikodehmos ho ELTHOHN pros auton NUKTOS TO PROHTON’. And that may explain the relevance of the Preposition ‘pros’ and its syntactical accompanying Accusative in both the Pronoun ‘auton’ and the nomenclature ‘nuktos to prohton’— “for the First Night” or “at the First Night” or “on account of” or “pertaining to” or, “for the First Night”. As follows,
    “Nicodemus also came there ON ACCOUNT OF Joseph and they HAVING MET AT THE FIRST NIGHT”—of unleavened bread!
    Thank God and praise His Name for the wonderful TRUTH in His Word!
    Which makes me think of yet another wonderful reality that struck me the other day while I was thinking about Jesus’ Crucifixion and Burial, that it is the SCRIPTURES that demand that it should happen over “two days”— “after two days the LORD will revive us; in the third day He will raise us up”—speaking of our God just like it is written of Him in Royal Plural at the creation already!
    Anyway, here is what struck me about the shear stupidity of the same-day crucifixion and burial heresy for making use of Deuteronomy 21:22,23—FALSELY of course. ‘They say’, Jesus HAD to be buried (“in haste” they always have to add FALSELY) on the same day He was crucified and died, “before sunset” because Deuteronomy 21 assumedly demanded it.
    Now IF that were so, then what about the Jews’ concern over the Law which prohibited them to partake in the passover meal in the night after the sacrifice of the lamb if they had touched the body of a dead human?
    These before sunset buried daft have no answer. But if after their passover meal ---or after their would-be passover meal at this the last of all passovers a Jew might have touched a dead, then there is no fear for getting unclean after, and Joseph and Nicodemus could at their own time, peacefully and meticulously, proceed “to the Ethics of the Jews” to “handle”, “prepare” and “treat” the body of “Our Passover” and “Lamb of God” “to…” in the end, “lay Him in the tomb”— the tomb itself even, as “in the Prophets concerning the Christ how He ought to have suffered” according to God’s fore-knowledge and predestination, “prepared and ready at hand”.
     
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    “On the Sixth Day they shall prepare.” Exodus 16:5.
    “The LORD hath given you the Sabbath; therefore He giveth you on the Sixth Day the bread of two days” or “bread to prepare for two days” or “bread to prepare for the Seventh Day….which is the Sabbath in which there shall be no bread given.” Exodus 16.
    “preparation day before it the 6 times it is used are all on the passover”
    “preparation day… are all on the passover” Yes and no….
    In Mark 15:42 the Sixth Day “The Preparation Day WHICH is the Fore-Sabbath had BEGUN.” It was the same day which had begun in John 19:31, “And since / because The Preparation Day had begun and because that (same) day was great-day-sabbath (of the passover), the Jews asked Pilate….”
    The SAME day began ENDING, “by the time of the Jews’ preparations (for the Sabbath)” John 19:42, “when the women (Mary Magdalene and the other Mary) mid-afternoon the Sabbath approaching went home and prepared spices and afterwards rested the (Seventh Day) Sabbath according to the (Fourth) Commandment.” Luke 23:54-56.
    “Now the morning (of the Seventh Day Sabbath) which is after the Day of the Preparation (on the Sixth Day of the week) the chief priests and Pharisees gathered before Pilate….” Matthew 27:62.
    Mark 15:42, John 19:31, John 19:42, Luke 23:54-56 and Matthew 27:62—five times the SAME day (‘Friday), happened to be BOTH the “preparation day” before “the 7th day Sabbath”, and, were “all on the passover”--the passover day “the first day (of) seven days (of) ULB”.
    FIVE times ‘Friday’ is “The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath” as well as “the passover” indeed the “great-day-sabbath-of (the passover)”.
    NOW IN STARKEST CONTRAST John wrote in 19:14 that “It was The Preparation-OF-PASSOVER six o’clock in the morning” when Jesus was handed over to be crucified; and “it was The Preparation-OF-PASSOVER” STILL, its “ninth hour” (“being in the daylight mid-afternoon”), when Jesus had DIED.
     
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    I think somebody is one dip short a can.
     
  11. Gerhard Ebersoehn

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    Can you say something concrete?

    No?

    Yes, no!
     

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