Public Sees That Bankers Create Money And Wars

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  1. poncho

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    David Knight
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    April 29, 2014

    The public is beginning to catch on to the facts that bankers create money and create wars.

    Major financial publications, writers and economists call for banning the fractional reserve system.

    “It is no coincidence that the century of total war coincided with the century of central banking,” Ron Paul wrote in his book End the Fed.

    Simply put, the fractional reserve system and fiat currencies allow governments to increase taxes on the population discretely in the process called inflation.

    Watch Video At: http://www.infowars.com/public-sees-that-bankers-create-money-and-wars/
     
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    Ron Paul is quoted at the beginning of Poncho's post. Ron Paul is neither an economist or a writer for a major financial institution.

    The video references a blog that is supposed to be written by an outside source, but it's really a blog written by someone at infowars. The bloggers article references an article supposedly written by Financial Times writer Martin Wolf. However, when trying to read the actual article by Wolf, it is impossible because you need to subscribe to read it. So there is no way to know what Wolf means by "Strip private banks of their power to create money" except for what InfoWars tells you it means.

    There is another link on the blogger's article (that is referenced in the video) that claims Business Insider is calling for "Ban All Banks" but when I click on the link in the blog to read the actual article it sends me to the Alexa domain web site rating service page for Business Insider and not the article. Then the video says that Business Insider quotes the Martin Wolf article.

    Folks, this is precisely the disingenuous crap that I found when I read all the "classic" conspiracy books years ago. A author will quote another author's article, who will quote another author's article, who will quote the author of the book I was reading. But the actual article was never able to be found and read in its entirety, only the carefully selected portion was available to read. And authors quote each other as if there allegations are proven facts. The references go in a circle and there is no established fact to them.

    The video than quotes someone from 1939 (remember the statement "public is beginning to catch on to the fact that bankers create money and war").

    Seriously, Poncho, is this all ya got? A video showing a blog, the blog quoting an unobtainable article, the blog providing a dead end link to another article, and then the InfoWars spin on what the authors said? But we can't read the article? Is that it?

    Should anyone want to waste their time looking at this stuff here is the blog shown in the video:
    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/04/truth-banks-goes-mainstream.html

    And here is the link to Martin Wolf's article in Financial Times:
    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/7f000b...ruth-banks-goes-mainstream.html#axzz307LB6vKb

    And here is the link to the Business Insider article calling for a ban on all banks:
    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/http://www.businessinsider.com
     
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    ITL, would you like to join me: :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead:
     
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    This is a strange question coming from a guy that tried to use a blog put out by the war mongering globalists at the Atlantic Council as proof positive that the Russians invaded Ukraine. I dug into your blog and all I could find was international bankers and corporitos pushing fear and lies, and the occasional fake photo and corporate sponsored "man in street" video. And you swallowed them whole without so much as looking to see who or what you were listening to.

    Quite interesting to that you found it necessary to besmirch Ron Paul because he isn't a professional shill for the banks and corporations like the "economists" you're always citing.

    So what Ron Paul's predictions have come true after you and all your professional "sources" were laughing at him?

    We know where your trust lies don't we.

    You must be getting pretty desperate to hide from the truth ITL. Don't do like TND and make a public hypocrite out of yourself now. You did do the very same thing you are now accusing me of doing not all that long ago after all.

    Here's the thread if anyone is interested in seeing ITL do the same thing he's now accusing me of doing.

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=92615

    ITL has a habit of asking me if "that's all I got". It's an old trick to lead the reader into thinking that because he has allegedly "debunked" one tiny portion of the mountain of evidence I have posted here over the years that there is no evidence that bankers run the world. Actually there is more evidence than ITL can handle and that's why he resorts to worn out propagandist tricks to fool the reader.

    Americans are beginning to catch on and he don't like it one little bit. Why? It makes him look foolish for defending them and their monopoly of creating money out of thin air all these years. That's why.

    And Salty? Well he's an expert bean counter. He can tell you who voted for who in every election going back to Noah and he can tell you exactly how many republicans and democrats are in every house in every state, county and town in the country. He's a demographics man and an ex campaigner. He knows all about what goes on in the false left vs right world but he hasn't got a clue whats going on in the real world and he doesn't want to. He does enjoy jumping in to take a swing at me when he thinks someone else has me cornered though. Nevermind I've been on his ignore list for months now.

    He jumps out from behind the safety of the ignore button long enough to attack me then slinks back behind it where he doesn't have to read my replies to his attacks.

    He's a real brave dude.
     
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    Quite different from a video referencing a blog referencing an article that couldn't be accessed, which referenced another article that couldn't be accessed, which referenced the first article that couldn't be accessed.

    Name an economist that I'm "always citing." Just one.

    Fact is Paul is not an economist or a writer, which is what the intro to your article claimed were catching on to bankers.

    That is a blog that has real, reputable, readable links on it. Your blogs have dead end links and circular arguments.

    Your "evidence" has been weighed and found wanting, many times. Your "evidence" cites a source who cites another source, who then cites the writer of the article you've posted. Example: Frank says something and quotes Mark for proof. Mark's proof is an article that Bill wrote. Bill's proof is an article that Frank wrote. etc.

    Better to create money out of a limited resource buried in the ground and then assign arbitrary values to an ounce of this resource. Then when you need more money, you've got to dig more holes. Oh, and what do you do when another nation starts hoarding this resource, or worse, discovers a mother lode of it inside their country and then manipulates the money supply. Ya, that works really good.

    Please note that I'm not defending bankers, per se. I am being critical of shoddy argument techniques and dishonest articles.
     
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    Better to keep your head buried in the "mainstream consensus" than risk a paradigm shift. People are waking up. I keep telling you that but you don't want to believe it. Because if it's true you and the self proclaimed BB majority of three or four are going end up with egg on your face.

    You don't need a PHD in propaganda to see what your trying to do. Anyone that knows anything about propaganda can see right through your feeble attempts at using it ITL. :laugh:

    I gave you a book on propaganda not once but twice. Might be a good time to sit down and read it. Then you can watch this . . . America Freedom To Fascism

    US Economy Is A House Of Cards — Paul Craig Roberts



    US Economy Is A House Of Cards


    Paul Craig Roberts


    The US economy is a house of cards. Every aspect of it is fraudulent, and the illusion of recovery is created with fraudulent statistics.
    American capitalism itself is an illusion. All financial markets are rigged. Massive liquidity poured into financial markets by the Federal Reserve’s Quantitative Easing inflates stock and bond prices and drives interest rates, which are supposed to be a measure of the cost of capital, to zero or negative, with the implication that capital is so abundant that its cost is zero and can be had for free. Large enterprises, such as mega-banks and auto manufacturers, that go bankrupt are not permitted to fail. Instead, public debt and money creation are used to cover private losses and keep corporations “too big to fail” afloat at the expense not of shareholders but of people who do not own the shares of the corporations.



    Profits are no longer a measure that social welfare is being served by capitalism’s efficient use of resources when profits are achieved by substituting cheaper foreign labor for domestic labor, with resultant decline in consumer purchasing power and rise in income and wealth inequality. In the 21st century, the era of jobs offshoring, the US has experienced an unprecedented explosion in income and wealth inequality. I have made reference to this hard evidence of the failure of capitalism to provide for the social welfare in the traditional economic sense in my book, The Failure of Laissez Faire Capitalism, and Thomas Piketty’s just published book, Capital in the 21st Century, has brought an alarming picture of reality to insouciant economists, such as Paul Krugman. As worrisome as Piketty’s picture is of inequality, I agree with Michael Hudson that the situation is worse than Piketty describes. http://michael-hudson.com/2014/04/pikettys-wealth-gap-wake-up/


    Capitalism has been transformed by powerful private interests whose control over governments, courts, and regulatory agencies has turned capitalism into a looting mechanism. Wall Street no longer performs any positive function. Wall Street is a looting mechanism, a deadweight loss to society. Wall Street makes profits by front-running trades with fast computers, by selling fraudulent financial instruments that it is betting against as investment grade securities, by leveraging equity to unprecedented heights, making bets that cannot be covered, and by rigging all commodity markets.



    The Federal Reserve and the US Treasury’s “Plunge Protection Team” aid the looting by supporting the stock market with purchases of stock futures, and protect the dollar from the extraordinary money-printing by selling naked shorts into the Comex gold futures market.



    The US economy no longer is based on education, hard work, free market prices and the accountability that real free markets impose. Instead, the US economy is based on manipulation of prices, speculative control of commodities, support of the dollar by Washington’s puppet states, manipulated and falsified official statistics, propaganda from the financial media, and inertia by countries, such as Russia and China, who are directly harmed, both economically and politically, by the dollar payments system.



    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/04/30/us-economy-house-cards-paul-craig-roberts/


    I suspect ITL will run right on down here and tell us he and his banker shill sources know more about economics than Paul Craig Roberts.


    Bet he uses one of Salty's old tricks and tries to "shoot the messenger". Seems to be a right popular thing to do amongst the BB majority of three or four.
     
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    IMF Demands Ukraine Risk World War 3 in Return For Bailout Money

    Globalists desperate to loan shark another country into debt slavery.

    The IMF has told Kiev that if it doesn’t defend eastern areas of Ukraine against pro-Russian forces, or in other words risk going to war with Russia and starting World War 3, that a planned $17 billion dollar bailout package will have to be “redesigned”.

    IMF head Christine Lagarde said that the global body would “check regularly” to see if Ukraine was keeping up with its commitments on which the loan deal is dependent. One of those commitments includes a vow to use military forces to repel Russian influence in the east of the country.

    The IMF has told Kiev that the money spigot could be cut off if Kiev “loses control over (the) East of the country”.

    “Which, roughly translated, appears to mean go to war with pro-Russian forces (and thus Russia itself if Putin sees his apparent countrymen in trouble) or you don’t get your money!,” notes Zero Hedge.

    Innumerable analysts have warned that if Russia and Ukraine engage in a full blown conflict, regional and even world war could eventually ensue. The IMF is seemingly so desperate to make Ukraine another one of its loan shark client states that it is willing to risk the annihilation of billions of people to achieve such a scenario.

    The fantastic “deal” that the Ukrainian people are getting in allowing the post-coup government to sell out to the IMF vampires includes a 50% hike in energy prices, a halving in pensions, crippling inflation, huge tax hikes and a freeze in the minimum wage.

    Read More At:

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/imf-demands-ukraine-risk-world-war-3-in-return-for-bailout-money.html
     
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    Bankers Make Out Like Bandits In The "War On Drugs"

    Big Banks Started Laundering Massive Sums of Drug Money In the 1980s … And Are Still Doing It Today

    For More Than 30 Years, the Big Banks Have Been Key Players In the Drug Trade

    It has become mainstream news that at least some of the big banks are laundering staggering sums of drug money. See this, this, this, this, this, this and and this.

    But you may not know the scope or history of the problem.

    Official statistics show that huge sums of drug money are laundered every year:

    The United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) conducted a study to determine the magnitude of illicit funds generated by drug trafficking and organised crimes and to investigate to what extent these funds are laundered. The report estimates that in 2009, criminal proceeds amounted to 3.6% of global GDP, with 2.7% (or USD 1.6 trillion) being laundered.

    This falls within the widely quoted estimate by the International Monetary Fund, who stated in 1998 that the aggregate size of money laundering in the world could be somewhere between two and five percent of the world’s gross domestic product. Using 1998 statistics, these percentages would indicate that money laundering ranged between USD 590 billion and USD 1.5 trillion. At the time, the lower figure was roughly equivalent to the value of the total output of an economy the size of Spain.

    Indeed, the head of the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime says that drug dealers kept the banking system afloat during the depths of the 2008 financial crisis.

    This started a long time ago. For example, Citibank was caught laundering drug money for Mexican cartels in 2001.

    Read More At: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/u-s-banks-started-laundering-drug-money-decades-ago-still-today.html
     
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    NEWS FLASH! THIS JUST IN! BANKS RECEIVE DEPOSITS! AND THEY LET PEOPLE MAKE WITHDRAWALS!!

    Banks take deposits from people. And they let people make withdrawals. Some banks don't ask a lot of questions. It's amazing, but true.
     
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    Perhaps they should do a chemical analysis of the bills to make certain they aren't tainted with copious amounts of cocaine residue. Or strap the customer to a lie detector to be sure he/she isn't engaged in "illegal activity" as a means of making a living. :laugh:
     
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    When people like yourself respond to his posts it motivates him to post more.
     
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    I used to think that, but I believe no matter what, he's going to post this crap anyway.

    I feel that silence might be perceived by newbies as tacit agreement on our part, so I find it hard to let what he posts go unchallenged.
     
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    Waterboard them as part of the account application process. :laugh:

    BTW, I believe it was reported in the late 1980's that 70%(?) of all currency had traces of cocaine on it.
     
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    Yep, most of it does these days, usually in traces too small for a field test to detect. It's there, though.
     
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    Naa, the thread will die and fall out of sight.
     
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    All y'alls hypocritical attempts to derail this thread has been noted.

    Censored language and the mind-prison of The Group

    by Jon Rappoport

    May 1, 2014

    The bottom-line goal of all social constructs is convincing individuals they are, first and foremost, part of a group.

    If this strategy for control succeeds, then criminals and hustlers of every stripe can peddle their stench-ridden wares. To groups.

    The collective is, above all, a funnel down into which propaganda can be poured, like swamp water.

    You are black. You are white. You are blue. You are purple. You’re a Jew. You’re a Christian. You’re a Muslim. Above all else, that’s what you are. That’s the game. That’s the con.

    You’re not you. No. You’re not unique. No. You’re not an individual. No. You’re in a group. You always were. You always will be.

    And because you’re green with red polka dots, all sorts of statements apply directly to you. Some of those statements are acceptable, and some are not. Some words directed at you are reasonable, and some are illegitimate. The illegitimate words must be censored and banned. The people who speak those words must be punished and exiled.

    God forbid, you, as a green person with red polka dots, should realize you are fundamentally beyond red and green, you are something far more, you are you and no one else is you. The State doesn’t want you to realize that.

    The State doesn’t want you to realize you’re outside. You’re not supposed to be that free. You’re not supposed to claim you’re that free.

    You’re supposed to be a fragment of a huddled mass defending itself against illegitimate language. That’s one of your main jobs.

    And if you walk away, if you leave the group, you’re a traitor. You’re a deserter.

    If you stay in the group forever, you’re good.

    You’re in a mind-prison, where you ought to be.

    And from prison, you can declare, over and over, how wonderful your group is. And if you discover these declarations do nothing for you, personally, in your efforts to improve your life, that’s perfectly all right. That’s normal. You can pretend. You can fake it. You can assert that things are getting better for you, because your group is receiving more special attention, more positive attention.

    Yes, social movements and political movements have brought about positive change for groups. Of course. But the whole purpose of these changes should be to funnel members in those groups up into being individuals, not members.

    Liberation of the individual is the purpose.

    The State and other repressive forces want people to stay in groups and think of themselves in those terms. Always.

    There are many strategies for doing this. One of them is: make sure attack- language is used against the group. And then try to censor that language.

    “Group member” is an artifact. It’s an ID card. It’s shorthand. These days, it’s becoming, through social pressure, mandatory. “You’re in group X.”

    “The unity of the manipulated collective consists in the negation of each individual and in the scorn poured on the type of society which could make people into individuals.” (Max Horkheimer asnd Theodor Adorno, “Dialectic of Enlightenment”)

    In the long run, The Group is painted as “inherently special,” but with none of the qualities that truly make the individual free and powerful.

    Which is the whole point, as far as the State is concerned: make the individual powerless, make him disappear.

    “All greatness of character is dependent on individuality. The man who has no other existence than that which he partakes in common with all around him, will never have any other than an existence of mediocrity.” (James Fenimore Cooper, “On Individuality”)

    “If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away.” (Henry David Thoreau, “Walden”)

    Face it. In order for any group to receive “special attention,” it must remain a group. Its members must not ascend to becoming individuals who graduate from the group. The group must always, therefore, appear to be under attack. And if this project lags, attacks must be concocted and promoted.

    To be more precise, there is a spectrum. At one end is the group-swamp. All the members have forsaken their individuality and identify with the prime group-characteristic. Then there is the free and awake and strong individual. Then there is the group composed of such free individuals, who see the wisdom of cooperation, without sacrificing themselves on the altar of fear, without feeling they must Belong.

    Jon Rappoport


    http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/05/01/censored-language-the-mind-prison-of-the-group/

    I don't care to be part of your tiny little group think club and I'll never join so get over it.

    The only thing worse than hypocrites are fascist hypocrites. If that's your thing fine but don't even think you can turn me into you. I escaped your mind prison long ago and no matter how hard you try, no matter what you say I WILL NOT BE A PRISONER LIKE YOU ever again.

    Comprende?
     
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    There you go again, derailing your own thread. Nice work.
     
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    Hey, I'm a part of a group.

    And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church


    Hallelujah!

    Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.
    So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.


    To the angel of the church of Ephesus write, ‘These things says He who holds the...

    “And to the angel of the church in Smyrna write, ‘These things says the First and the Last...


    And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.


    And through the hands of the apostles many signs and wonders were done among the people. And they were all with one accord in Solomon’s Porch.... And believers were increasingly added to the Lord, multitudes of both men and women,

    that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.


    For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.



    And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
     
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    Smooth move there Joseph when all else fails try to transfer God's authority onto yourself.

    Talk about an act of desperation. :laugh: What do you think you are ITL a Jedi? You're little mind tricks don't work on me.

    Did y'all notice how ITL conveniently left this part out?

    "Conform to our corporate induced group think damn you conform or face the wrath of the fascists three!" :laugh:

    Why don't you three fascists go find another country to sacrifice to your corporate gods? You've already caused this country enough grief.
     
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    Banksters Pretend that Prosecuting Wall Street Crime Will Blow Up the Economy

    Wall Street Criminals Threaten that Economy Will Blow Up If They’re Prosecuted

    The Department of Justice is “considering” initiating criminal charges against 2 banks.

    In response, the normal cast of characters is saying – as they have for years – that prosecuting banks will cause a meltdown of the economy.

    The U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York recently mocked the silly claims of gloom and doom:

    “Companies, especially financial institutions, will do almost anything to avoid a tough enforcement action and therefore have a natural and powerful incentive to make prosecutors believe that death or dire consequences await,” he said. “I have heard assertions made with great force and passion that if we take any criminal action, the skies will darken; the oceans will rise; nuclear winter will be upon us; and the world as we know it will end.”

    As we’ve repeatedly noted, this is wholly untrue.

    Indeed, prosecuting the individual Wall Street executives who knowingly committed criminal fraud won’t harm the economy. After all, the main driver of economic growth is a strong rule of law. And numerous Nobel prize winning economists have said that prosecuting Wall Street white collar is necessary for a prosperous economy.

    Read More At: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/banks.html
     

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