Question about LXX

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  1. Askjo

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    I ask you to type "LXX and myth" on google and learn what other folks tell you about LXX and myth.

    Was the LXX a myth?

    Any thoughts?
     
  2. Charles Meadows

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    Askjo,

    Is this what you were talking about?

    "One wide-spread myth concerning the LXX is an old story which states that the translators worked on their translation alone and compared their work each morning, only to find that each had translated the passage exactly the same."

    This is found in a document called the "Letter of Aristeas", which is considered my all scholars to be contrived.

    The LXX itself certainly DID exist. Fragments of the Greek OT have been found at Qumran, dating them to about 100 BC.
     
  3. natters

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    Askjo said "Was the LXX a myth?"

    No.
     
  4. HankD

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    That depends on the scope and definition of "myth" askjo. Perhaps some of the accounts behind how it came into being involved religious "urban legends".

    But I believe it existed 2 centuries before Christ.

    In reality it was probably already in existance in the form of a collection of Greek translations of the several books of the Hebrew Bible disseminatated among the Hebrew scribes after the helenization of the world.

    Ptolemy probably brought them all together unified and distilled them into a single unit as the Greek translation archetype of the Hebrew Bible.

    This made matters easier for the apostles to take the Gospel to the uttermost part of the earth in the lingua franca of the gentile world.

    HankD
     
  5. David J

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    Askjo

    What about posting your sources, I want to research this data for myself.

    You made a claim about the LXX in another thread and then you start this thread. Looks like Askjo is really Do-not-ask-jo [​IMG]

    I have no reason to believe a single thing that you say Askjo simply because you will not post any type of evidence to back up your statements.

    Either post the references or admit that you made a claim that has no foundation.

    I would suspect that your source is the false prophet Dr. Peter(Eternal Sonship denying) Ruckman and you are too ashamed to admit this. I too would be ashamed to admit that I read the works from a man who claimed to receive an advanced revelation from reading the KJV about a "black-lipped" antichrist that is 10 feet tall and comes out of a UFO! LOL.......and people trust Ruckman!

    http://www.kjvonly.org/bob/ross_black_lip.htm
     
  6. robycop3

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    Wonder what Jesus read aloud in Luke 4:16-21? Could it have been from the LXX?
     
  7. Dr. Bob

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    It surely wasn't the Masoretic Text.

    Actually is closer to the Dead Sea Scroll text of the OT, but still very different in Luke.

    People mistake the LXX for a "monolithic" document. Like the NT Greek, there were various editions with slight changes from area to area.

    So the LXX in Alexandria, another in Nazareth, another in Psidian Antioch, et al, will all have slight differences as do the NT Greek. Blame it on the copyists and ecological isolation.
     
  8. David J

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    Lost for words or should I say evidence supported by facts Askjo?
     
  9. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Try typing "KJVO" and "myth" into Google.

    That makes as much sense as the question in the OP.
     
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    I wonder what Ruckman teaches about the LXX? Was it inspired like the KJV was? Does he correct the LXX and MT with the KJV too.
     
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    Ruckman says there was no pre-NT LXX.

    Sorry, he has asked that no one quote him or reference his sources without his permission.
     
  12. HankD

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    Duh, I wonder why?

    When you use the word "that" you are not quoting.
    For instance If you say - Ruckman says that there was no pre-NT LXX - you are NOT quoting him.

    Also there is no law against a book review and discussing the contents of a Book without direct quotes. This is still America and not Nazi Germany.

    What does he have to hide?

    In addition, I for one will not honor his request but will reveal what I consider his errors with law-abiding book reviews and/or evaluations of the substance and content of what he has written and made publically available to my friends and family(without quoting him).

    However if the BB administrators want us to abide by his request then I will do that.

    If we must abide by his request and refrain from even legal references to his works, may we give URL addresses of sites which expose what we consider his errors?

    From my evaluation (which may not be completely accurate) Ruckman is a masorertic text only person.

    HankD
     
  13. Dr. Bob

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    Listing errors is not violating any copyright laws.

    Just uses way too much band width for errors by Peter!! [​IMG]
     
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    This is the just about goofiest thing I have ever heard.
     
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    What are his reasons? Sounds fishy to me. If he wanted everyone to know of his great claims certainly he would make his work available for free. I sense he likes that income from his books, etc.
     
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    gb, that's because it IS fishy. If the information is printed or posted for the public, it is open to the fair use laws.
     
  17. Phillip

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    Uh, AVL1984, I think you have the right idea, but having worked a lot with intellectual property let me clarify what I think you may be trying to say. You statement that "Information is printed or posted for the public, it is open to the fair use laws." is true. However, the Fair-use laws do not allow you to copy a website and the information contained therein and use it in your own work. You may make short quotes within an article, but if you copy an entire post or a lot of information, then you are under the rules of the website. Whether or not the site is marked as a copyrighted site makes no difference.

    There is a misconception among people, copyright laws have changed and anything that is published is copyrighted. Registering a copyright is for only one thing, to PROVE that the copyright was from the original author at the time of registration. This helps when litigation occurs. Otherwise, be very careful with assuming that "because it is on a website (BBB included) that you can use it without permission. It just ain't so.

    If Ruckman wrote it, you can quote short quotes in your article (the book report idea mentioned above.) But, be extremely careful in quoting what he himself has written. In otherwords, it would NOT be a good idea to reprint one of his articles here.

    As far as his list of references, this is in a gray area. He was the one who created the list and compiled it. It COULD be a copyright violation to copy it.

    If you wish to make a quote, then that is fine. Now, if you quote what is printed on this bulletin board and it appears on this bulletin board, you are not breaking the law because the publisher remains the same and it is well known that this board allows quoting of other posts in order to respond. This is not a copyright violation. If it comes from another website and contains a significant portion of the information contained on the page in question, then "yes" that "Could" be a copyright violation.

    Now, if the article was all in the public domain (written by someone else, or permission on the website to use it.) then that is another story. If the material he asks you not to copy is his work, then copyright law kicks in and Fair-Use ONLY may be used.

    Be careful.
     
  18. David J

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    [attack snipped]!

    To my understanding as long as I review his work and give the proper references then how could I be taken to court? It's not like I pulled a Fuller and stole his work claiming it as my own. I mean if G(god) A(and) Riplinger can publish NABV then I don't see where Ruckman has a leg to stand on. The difference is that I would not misqoute Ruckman, thats more than I can say for a lot of KJVO defenders.

    This junk coming from Ruckman would make Stalin and KGB very proud men in that Ruckman seeks to silence those of us who wish to expose his lies with fear and threats. This so called pastor makes me sick.

    Sorry for the rant but that is just how I feel.

    The heretic(used in the right manner refer to Ruckman's works) Ruckman spouts out lies like it's a second nature and when someone wants to correct those lies Ruckman cries like a baby.

    I would ask that our mods look into this matter. I don't see the problem Ruckman has as long as credit and references are given to his work 100% following every rule by US law and 100% correct. According to Ruckman how can any of us do any research and report our findings?

    What is Ruckman trying to do?

    [ October 05, 2004, 08:27 PM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob ]
     
  19. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    He says on his site that even links to his site are prohibited.

    Google "Bible Baptist Bookstore" and go to the top choice.

    Hint it is an ".org" address preceded by the letters kjv and a date in the early 17th century.
     
  20. David J

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    So in other words Ruckman is saying that he can say and publish anything and we have no right to point out his error using his own words!

    Bah to the heretic Ruckman! I don't see how that can stand up in court if I follow US law etc...but in respect to the BB I will not post it here.

    I guess if I wrote about 10 foot tall black lipped Antichrist who buddies up with greys(aliens) then I might seek a copyright to keep this confession silent!

    Sure does sound like a liberal webpage being protected by big brother to me. Do you think he would hunt me down and burn me alive ? LOL!!!!!!!!
     

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