question concerning kjv

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  1. Pastor Shaun

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    I was raised in an KJV only church. I currently attend a Restoration Movement college which uses NIV. I want want to read a translation that is closest to the original hebrew and greek as possible. What is the most accurate version to read? KJV, NASB, ect?

    I don't like when people slam the KJV because it has remained faithful through the years. In fact, I don't like some of the NIV translations. However, I don't know enough original language to read the manuscripts. That is why I am looking for the most accurate translation.

    Also, are there any books that I can purchase that talks about the origin of the KJV without slamming it?

    One more thing, the churches I minister in are usually KJV. I want to purchase a version that I can understand better but NOT take away from original language. Is there any that explains the KJV more clearly (NKJV).
     
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    First, I can understand that there are translation issues with the NIV, so too with the KJV. Let's be frank here.

    Second, do you want to continue with the KJV or not? It seems like you have made up your mind.

    Third, I'll recommend the TNIV, NLTse, HCSB, NET, or the NRSV.

    Fourth, accuracy is not about how literal the translation is, but precisely what you're looking for, accuracy.

    Literalness doesn't equal accuracy as many are led to believe.

    So you need a translation that respects the forms and is functional. You need a good mediating Bible.
     
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    Amen , my alter ego.
     
  4. Cutter

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    Stick with your KJV, Brother and pick you up a few good commentaries. :thumbs:
     
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    There are a few good translations. I love the KJV and find it invaluable. I also am a proponent of the NKJV. Taken from the same textual body as the KJV and using the same philosophy of the KJV it is well suited to the KJV user.
     
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    While the NASB is more literal than most other English translations, it uses a few other sources besides those used by the KJV as its basis. But please bear in mind that GOD IS NOT LIMITED to just ONE English translation; He has caused several to have been made over the last 700 years. Don't listen to anyone who tries to tell you otherwise.

    I agree with Roger and others about the NKJV; it mostly uses the same sources as the KJV does, but does not ignore the 500 + mss. & fragments of mss discovered since 1611. It woulda been disingenuous of its translators to have done so.

    Always remember GOD WANTS HIS WORD READ & UNDERSTOOD!
     
  7. EdSutton

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    Did you mean to say 500 + or 5000 + mss and fragments discovered since 1611?

    Ed
     
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    For some one who does not know the original languages but wants to understand the reasons behind the manner in which those words have been rendered into English its hard to beat the NET and its 60,000+ 'translators' notes. It's conservative, and can be found online. The NET could compliment your KJV reading.
     
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    The ESV is an easy change of pace for those used to the KJV. But all of the above suggestions are good.
     
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    Amen, I second that because that is what I used. :thumbs:
     
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    The KJV ... ....
     
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    Which KJV?
    Recall that I live in the 21st Century (2001-2100) NOT the 18th century (1701-1800). The most popular KJV is the 1762 and 1769, and American unauthorized "Authorized Version"s - I.E. the KJV1769 Family of Editions. Personally I find if one is going to learn an ancient language they might as well try the KJV1611 Edition. Here is how you get saved in the KJV1611 Edition:

    Rom 10:9-10 (KJV1611 Edition):
    That if thou shalt confesse with thy mouth the Lord Iesus, and shalt beleeue in thine heart, that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saued.
    Rom 10:10 For with the heart man beleeueth vnto righteousnesse, and with the mouth confession is made vnto saluation.

    Here is how one got saved 11 years before that:

    Rom 10:9-10 (Geneva Bible, 1599 Edition):
    For if thou shalt confesse with thy mouth the Lord Iesus, and shalt beleeue in thine heart, that God raised him vp from the dead, thou shalt be saued:
    Rom 10:10 For with the heart man beleeueth vnto righteousnes, and with the mouth man confesseth to saluation.
     
  13. Cutter

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    SHOW OFF! :tongue3:
     
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    I agree with Cutter here. :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
     
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    Uh, don't KJVO people think the MV's have worth as 'commentaries'?

    :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    IT is hard to predict what KJVO people think. Over half, maybe 3/4 of KJVO people are Baptists who think what they will. If you want to have four KJVO opinions, ask three KJVO people ;)

    BTW, my Geneva Bible, 1560 Edition has lots of commentary notes. In fact, I hear that King James had the version made that bears his name (KJVs) because he didn't like some of the Geneva Bible Commentary. Evidently that commentary was a little weak on the Divine Right of Kings Doctrine. (The doctrine that King James was so fond of).
     
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    Yeah...my typo!
     
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    Actually, ask three Baptists a question on any subject, and you'll probably get four opinions. :D :laugh:

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    Same body but different head?
     
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    While the KJB remains tried and true over all other English translations, it uses a complete and harmonious approach direct from above to affect the heart and mind of the reader.

    Please bear in mind that God is not a multiplicity of gods that is confused about what His word says. I wouldn't say God caused misleading wordings to cause the reader to left at the mercy of those "scholars" who aren;t sure what the word of God is. He's been so sure of His word that we have the KJB presently and understand fully the mind of God for his intent upon man to follow Him exclusicvely and not the teachings of men.

    Listen to everyone, but hear the Lord. This is always accomplished by taking his word in context knowing there is no real conflict ezxcept from the satanic forces and out of the pits of hell where satan attempts to establish a throne.

    When one tells you not to "listen to anyone", they are attemtping to sway you towards their objectives and leave you at their mercy denying you the Baptist distinctive of the preisthood of the believer.

    I do not agree with eiither wholeheartedly, although we can agree to disagree, I think, well, at least on my behalf.

    The MSS, ( referenced with respect to the ones that are from the Lord) available today include the same MSS for the most part, (nearly 98% available to the KJB translators). Anyone who tells you different isn't being completely honest .

    The KJB translators were more familiar with the original tongues than most any scholar today by comparison, although we do have many acclaimed Bible scholars present.

    It all boils down to the harmony of the translation, especially since there is no such thing as an accurate literal word for word translation,
    and never will be, the language differences will never allow that.

    We have the KJB: perfectly definable, its wording above the normal verbage of the common street language, yet never above what even the simplest of minds can comprehend once that person has been born again.

    We have a mentality to day that well-meaning men advocate for people to understand the Bible, but they seem to want to overlook that for anyone to discern the mind of the Spirit, they MUST be born again!

    Always remember, God wants his word preached so men will be saved. Once saved they will begin to understand the things of the Spirit which beforehand were hid to the minds of those blinded by the god of this world.:godisgood:

    You will soon see a rebuttal of sorts by those who refuse this sound reasoning. But, still:godisgood:
     
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