Question for our Canadian brother - C.D. Cole & your Seminary

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  1. imported_J.R. Graves

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    Original title of this thread: Question for Jim 1999 - C.D. Cole & your Seminary
    Please see edit explanation in subsequent post below. - CK


    Dear Brother Jim,

    In a recent post on the Baptistboard you mentioned that C.D. Cole was one of your former professors in Seminary. I own a number of Cole's books that have been published by the Bryan Station Baptist Church of Lexington, KY and was looking his "Lectures in Bible Theology of the New Testament." These lectures were delievered at the Toronto Baptist Seminary back in the spring of 1960. Was then when you had Cole as a professor? I was hoping you could share with us what Cole was like as a teacher. Also where their any other Landmarker Baptists like Cole teaching there?

    Thanks for your help in this matter.

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  2. Jim1999

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    Brother Graves,

    I would be delighted to attest to Dr. Cole both as a teacher and as a witness for our Lord. He was greatly loved by all the student body and indeed by those at Jarvis Street Baptist Church.

    Our professor of theology was Dr. George B. Fletcher of Newport News, Virginia. He also taught the Landmark viewpoint. Jarvis Street Baptist Church believed very strongly in the Baptist historical tradition. Every student was given a copy of The Trail of Blood by Dr. Cole. It was not required reading as he taught New Testament Biblical Theology.

    I left the seminary in 1960, so I lost track of both men. Dr. Cole's and Dr. Fletcher's photos still hang on my study wall. I believe I sent a copy of the photos to Brother Gormley at Bryan Station Baptist Church.

    Say, we had another lad from Kentucky at the seminary that year. His first name was Jimmy and I can't for the life of me remember his last name.(added: could it be Hughes?) He was handicapped, but a great witness for the Lord Jesus. We all called him Jimmy,,so the last name didn't stick.

    I noticed that Bryan Station offered Dr. Cole's books and his lectures. I am intending to send for all of them for old times sake..I have also recommended them to others as a good read.

    Cheers. Anytime I can offer anything, please do not hesitate to ask.

    Jim

    PS. I studied under Dr. T.T. Shields as well....You might recall, another staunch Baptist, and solid in Calvinism.
     
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    Dear Brother Jim,

    Thanks for sharing these memories about C.D. Cole with us. I would have loved to have meet him. I have heard of George Fletcher's name before, but do not know anything about him. Do the names J.C. Lilley or Benjamin Connaway right a bell with you? They were close friends of Cole from Kentucky and made occasional trips to Toronto with Cole. In 1953 or 1954, Lilley had Shields come all the way to Marion in western Kentucky to preach a revival at his church. What did Shields and the other professors there at Toronto Baptist Seminary think about Cole and Fletcher's Landmarkism?

    I have attached a short biography of Cole at the bottom of this message. One of my professors in Bible College, Charles Cloyde, was a good friend of Cole and even made a trip to Toronto in the late 1950's to visit the Jarvis Street Baptist Church. He told me this information. I think you might enjoy it.

    By the way, in the edition of "Lectures in Biblical Theology" I have, there is a picture of Cole on the first page. This is probably the same picture you sent to Brother Gormley.

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    Brother Claud (C.D.) Cole was born around 1885. When he was around 16 years old, he moved to Morton’s Gap, Kentucky to work as a telegraph operator for the railroad. While there, the Christian Church in Morton’s Gap made him Sunday School Superintendent, even though he was unconverted. However he was soon saved and became a member of the Morton’s Gap Baptist Church, where his first job was as janitor.
    As a young pastor, Brother Cole was somewhat controversial. He was always very understanding when dealing with other people, but nevertheless he stood strongly for what he believed to be the truth. He never had an education, except one year he spent at Southern Seminary in Louisville.
    As a young pastor, Brother Cole was associated with other controversial figures. It is known that he and Brother H. Boyce Taylor of Murray, Kentucky were good friends.
    Through Brother Taylor and his famous Bible Institutes, Brother Cole met Arthur W. Pink. In 1929 Pink came and joined the Baptist church at Morton’s Gap. He mainly worked on his paper, Studies in Scripture, and preached in surrounding churches. However, During a sermon, Brother Cole was preaching, Pink strongly disagreed and left the church. What is interesting is as he was leaving Pink said there were only 8 or 9 people saved in the church and Brother Cole or his wife weren’t one of them. But even though they left on bad terms, Brother Cole and Pink communicated in the following years.
    In 1933 Brother Cole left Morton’s Gap to Pastor the Baptist church in Plant City, Florida. This was not a big church, but Brother Cole started a Bible School while he was there. In 1945 he left the church and returned to Morton’s Gap.
    Brother Cole was also good friends with the famous T.T. Shields of Canada. In fact Brother Shields sent for Brother Cole to teach at the Jarvis Street Seminary. Brother Shields died in 1955, but Brother Cole continued to make occasion trips to Toronto to give lectures at the Seminary.
    While Brother Cole was a man of strong doctrine, his gentle Christian spirit was always present. During the last year of his life he was interim pastor of the First Baptist church of Madisonville, Ky. He died in 1969 at the age of 84 years old
     
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    Dear Brother Graves,

    To learn at the feet of either Dr. Cole or Dr. Fletcher was always an experience. Yes, Dr. Cole was firm in what he believed to be true, but he had a heart that reached beyond the students eager mind to challenge the professor. He could rebuke us without even knowing we had been rebuked. Now that takes love.

    I had heard that Dr. Cole was somewhat controversial in Kentucky, and that not all thought he was the theological giant we ascribed to him, but you could not convince me. TBS was a small school and we enjoyed very much a one-on-one relationship with our professors.

    Dr. Cole always came up for a few weeks at a time to lecture, and he always brought someone along with him from Kentucky. Being quite English, as were most of the students at Toronto Baptist Seminary, it was quite novel to hear the Kentuckians speak. I say that affectionately, and I say the same of Dr. Fletcher of Virginia.

    In those days, we never thought about learning as being measured by degree. Think of what Pink accomplished in his life without an education, and A.W. Tozer, who never went to high school or Bible College. We had a little dity at TBS:

    There was a laddie at college named Breeze,
    Weighed down with BA's and BD's.
    Said the doctor, "It's plain.....
    You are killing yourself by degrees."

    We always looked forward to visits from Dr. Cole and Dr. Fletcher, whose only degrees were honourary DD's. Something neither sought, but were gladly conferred upon them, and rightly so.

    I think strong personalities often reach far beyond what meek ones do, and the Lord uses them with all their personal quirks. Some only see the quirks and miss the depth of soul.

    Sometimes seminary training teaches more than knowledge. It teaches how to live, and what to live for. It is possible we learn far more knowledge beyond those walls and beyond those years.

    Cheers, and God bless,

    Jim

    PS. Thank you for that note about Dr. Cole. I have printed it out and inserted it in one of his books.
     
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    Brother Graves -

    My sincerest apologies for breaking into your initial post. Our rules state:

    http://www.baptistboard.com/postingrules.html

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  6. J.R. Graves

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    Dear Brother Jim,

    Thanks again for sharing these thoughts about C.D. Cole. Another think I was wondering is did Cole ever mentioned A.W. Pink? Pink died in 1952, but he and Cole were close at one time. In 1929, Pink moved to Morton's Gap, Kentucky and joined Cole's church. However within a year they had a falling out and Pink moved away. They did remain in contact for the next 20 years. Do you remember Cole mentioning any of this?
     
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    It was through Dr. Cole that I was first introduced to A.W. Pink's books, and he was insrumental in adding them to the school's book shop.

    He never mentioned about having a disagreement and one would never know from the way he talked. One of the first Pink books I bought was a small paperback, The Ten Commandments. Pink died in 1952, and I knew Cole in 1959-60...so, I would suspect any differences would be long forgotten by then.

    Cheers, and God bless,

    Jim
     

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