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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Jordan Kurecki, Nov 14, 2013.

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  1. Inspector Javert

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    Tell me what lie I've told and I'll admit to it. Tell me.

    You really just don't like being out-debated. I can't help that.
    Do you not realize that this whole line of accusation of yours is actually you tacitly admitting that you've been defeated?

    It is. It's a desperate Hail Mary.

    You tell me what lie I've told, and I'll own it.
     
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  2. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Fat is a good beginning point though...proves gluttony. Same for dishonesty ...how you do one thing is how you do everything.
     
  3. Inspector Javert

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    What have I been dishonest about? Pray do tell.
     
  4. preacher4truth

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    How about starting with hos for instance
     
  5. Inspector Javert

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    How about this:
    Why doesn't whoever wants to start a new thread about it, and we'll not continue to hi-jack this one.
     
  6. preacher4truth

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    As if you didn't begin the hijacking of this one yourself hos. You began it as a prove you're honest thread and I've called you on it. But go ahead and start there as I've stated and answer. It's simple really.

    Now back to the OP.

    The accusations of the KJV being hated and attacked is all in the minds of those who hold to KJVOnlyism or who are closet KJVO.

    The truths about KJV have been brought forward. It as all translations has issues and is not perfect.
     
  7. Inspector Javert

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    You don't read well do you: Pay attention to this verbiage:
    See the word "WE"? :smilewinkgrin:
     
  8. preacher4truth

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    Ah, an inflammatory comment from HoS. How rare.

    And you're still hijacking.

    I was on OP, why not end your silly game and stick to that?
     
  9. jonathan.borland

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    You mean the tax instructions aren't written in 1611 English? Well I'll be dogged!
     
  10. jonathan.borland

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    For those who've been around, his colorful expressiveness fits HOS to a T.
     
  11. jonathan.borland

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    One thing about Inspector Javert: there's a certain evocative, some might say provocative, intensity to his posts that certainly elicits a wide range of responses.

    A few days ago he posted this:

    He's kind of like Jesse Helms in the Senate. He says things like "suck egg Democrats" and votes no when 99 others vote yes, and you at least listen to the grouchy man even if you don't always agree with him or the way in which he says things.

    Javert says he's not KJVO and that he's calling people on dissing the KJV for the sake of dissing the KJVOs. If he uses bombastic rhetoric at times, well, welcome to the BB. It kind of comes with the territory. The long-time posters here learn not to take this BB too seriously.

    But there are some hints of his mother's rearing in him....I've see the word "sir" pop up a number of times in his responses. Maybe the rest of the seeds of his culturing will blossom into the full-blown southern gentleman, like the Jesse Helms of the BB.

    If anything, I read everyone's posts here not just for edification but also for the level of entertainment or diversion from the daily grind that they provide. Some provide more, some less, amusement. Javert's posts are definitely on the more amusing side.

    Sorry for the derailing of the thread....
     
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  13. Jordan Kurecki

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    The only reason those manuscripts are older is because they are unreliable... I garantee you that the NWT (Jehovas Witness translation) will last longer on my shelves than my King James bibles because I view the NWT as horribly corrupt. Older does not always mean better, not to mention that the early church fathers quote readings from the recieved text/ Byzantine text at a 3:2 ratio.

    Older does not mean better, and you are completely ignoring the fact that God can providentially preserve his word THROUGH copying.
     
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    I'd love to know where you get your information. LOL
     
  15. Jordan Kurecki

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    The main problem is the texts behind translation, that is the major problem that modern version promoters are ignoring, it is straining at gnats and swallowing camels.
     
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    When you say Majority text what text are you referring to? because if you are referring to the MT put out by Hodges-Farstad than yes what you said is correct, but that is not the textus receptus behind the King James bible, oftentimes the Textus receptus is confused with the "majority text" that really isn't a majority text.
     
  17. Jordan Kurecki

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    let's try to stay on topic please. I am not interested in linguistic arguments because those are just gnats, im concerned with the textual issue.
     
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  18. Jordan Kurecki

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    The Revision Revised by Dean Burgon. Dean Burgon did a lot of research into the early church father's quotations.
     
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    The twenty or more varying editions of the Textus Receptus really are not a majority text with all of their readings found in an acutal majority of Greek New Testament manuscripts.

    The varying Textus Receptus editions actually have some minority readings and even some readings found in no known Byzantine Greek NT manuscripts.

    The NT editions such as the Majority Text of Hodges-Farstand and the New Testament in the Original Greek--Byzantine Textform edited by Maurice A. Robinson and William G. Pierpont are more of a majority text than the Textus Receptus editions are.
     
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    The So-Called "Majority Greek Text of Hodges-Farstad"

    1. Papyrus Fragments-- 8 out of 81 = 10% of the evidence

    2. Uncials-= 4 out of 267 = 1% of the evidence

    3. Cursives- 414 out of 2764 = 15% of the evidence

    4. Lectionaries-- 0 out of 2143 = 0% of the evidence

    Total MSS: 426 out of 5,255 = 8% of the MSS evidence

    5. Ancient Versions-- 0 out of 20 = 0% of the evidence

    6. Church Fathers-- 0 out of 300 = 0% of the evidence

    Total Non-MSS: 0 out of 320 = 0% of the non-MSS evidence*

    Grand Total: **426 out of 5,575 = 7% of ALL evidence**
     
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