just read this today Numbers 6:20 And the priest shall wave them for a wave offering before the LORD: this is holy for the priest, with the wave breast and heave shoulder: and after that the Nazarite may drink wine. Strongs says this:ן yayin yah'-yin From an unused root meaning to effervesce; wine (as fermented); by implication intoxication: - banqueting, wine, wine [-bibber]. I've also been reading John chapter 2 over and over again this month. John 2:10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now. Zodhiates says that the word wine there in the greek implies intoxication. also I looked up the phrase have well drunk and this is the definition I've gotten from Strongs μεθύω methuō meth-oo'-o From another form of G3178; to drink to intoxication, that is, get drunk: - drink well, make (be) drunk (-en). This is also the same word used in Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. 1Th 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Based on that wouldn't one have to conclude that Jesus did indeed create fermented wine? Pro 23:30 They that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine. Pro 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. It starts off with tarry long at the wine, could this possibly be implying the over consumption of it? I'm just wondering and trying to think through this without presuppositions and just look at it textually and contextually. Is there something I'm not seeing? What are your thoughts? Disclaimer:at this point in time I do not believe drinking any amount of alcohol for the purpose of recreation i acceptable I am just starting to ponder this now.