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Discussion in 'Forum for Polls' started by SaggyWoman, Jul 1, 2007.
What can men do?
Men can do a lot of things (except maybe become pregnant)! :laugh:
However, whether or not men should do certain things is another story!
Do you mean any man? any man who is a member? any man who has been ordained?
What does ordaination have to do with anything?
As far as being a pastor or baptizing, it has a lot to do with it.
So, what you're saying is that a believer who is immersed by an unordained man doesn't have a valid baptism, right??
I would strongly suggest that a man counselling a woman - or visiting a woman shut-in -- not do it alone!
There are several qualifications that must be met for a valid baptism to take place.
You must have the:
Proper candidate: One who knows the reason they are being baptized
Proper administrator: One who has been duly ordained by a presbytery
Proper mode: Complete immersion in water
Proper body: An organized New Testament church
These are the qualifications Primitive Baptists hold to, but I don't know about other groups.
It's always better to be cautious in such situations to avoid certain perceptions, however misguided they might be.
A good list. I would clarify the definition of "proper candidate" as one who confesses Christ as Lord (a regenerated believer), but I suspect that's what you mean anyway.
I thought the same thing.
No problem with it, but wise to take his wife along, a must really, or at least have her in the house if the lady comes over.
Also, I would strongly suggest that any Youth Minister never take the girls home alone. Back before God delivered me from Youth Ministry, I always took one of my own kids along when I took the kids home.
Scripture teaches believer's baptism. But if this condition is really met, why are there so many people baptized once-- almost inevitably when young-- then come back later say "I didn't understand what I was doing" and have now become saved and want another baptism?
I don't know a scripture which teaches this specifically. And if I were lost without food in the desert with a nonChristian and we knew were dying and I urged him to accept Jesus Christ, I-- never being 'ordained' by anyone or any body-- would baptize him if he expressed belief and wish for such and we found water.
While I agree with this 'mode,' this is really just concluded from scripture by definition of the word meaning dip/immerse.
Again, I will stand by my lost-in-the-desert example and would still do it without any church involved. But more importantly, what about Philip and the Ehiopian? They were traveling as Philip taught him the gospel, he saw water and asked why he can't be baptized; Philip, of course, told him he could if he really believed. No church; just one sent-- the meaning of apostle.