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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by michael-acts17:11, Jul 7, 2011.

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  1. Baptist4life

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    I always wonder why this can be stated when there is no proof of it.
     
    #61 Baptist4life, Jul 14, 2011
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    I actually agree with this - it is an opinion
     
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    What are two manuscripts?
     
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    What are these manuscripts?
     
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    How can someone prove an opinion? Anyway, doesn't it make sense that the oldest manuscripts and the least handled manuscripts (meaning not copied, and copied, and copied over and again) would be more reliable?
     
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    The Codex Vaticanus and the Codex Sinaiticus.
     
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    Not necessarily. It could mean that they were not recopied because they were NOT the 'best and most' reliable manuscripts.
     
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    Not trying to be rude, but what makes your case that they are not the 'best and most' reliable?
     
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    I don't have a case, anymore than those who think they are. We both make educated guesses on which to base our opinions. Notice the operative words 'it could mean.'
     
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    My 1985 NIV has a line under verse 8 followed by the words, 'The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20' in square brackets, followed by the verses in question.

    This is not wrong, but it doesn't give an adequate impression of just how small the support for exclusion is, nor how vast the number of MSS that contain the verses.

    My NKJV has a note in the Centre Column References saying, 'Vv. 9-20 are bracketted in NU as not in the original text. They are lacking in Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus, although nearly all other mss. of Mark contain them.' It might have added that almost 1,000 mss contain the verses.

    Steve
     
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    This is my favourite post of all time! :laugh: Nice one!
     
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    Thanks, I was just curious if you had some information that I was unaware of. Personally, I would rather see it printed in the Bible and then I have no problem with a footnote, but as you say it could say some of the older manuscripts, rather than the best manuscripts do not contain these verses.
     
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    Right, why are they so popular to naturalistic scholars not because of oldest manuscripts, but because of naturalistic scholars' idol?
     
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    :laugh: There are many days I feel every day of 300 years old!!!
     
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    What in the world are naturalistic scholars? are they into the Green movement,or what? :)
     
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    Nope, those that would deny that the Alexandrian texts were corrupted by"satanic" influences!
     
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    You should be careful about charging idolatry. Some may turn it around and accuse people of holding the TR or KJV as idols. Neither of those charges are posting with grace.
     
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    And they coulda been copied repeatedly, with "master copies" being stored away. We just don't know.
     
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    Yet they are repeatedly called the "older and BETTER" manuscripts, and everyone just excepts that as a fact. Why?
     
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    Because the people who are trained in antiquity manuscripts have looked at the evidence and come to that conclusion. They have looked within the manuscript evidence and outside and quotes from Biblical manuscripts and have decided what is more than likely what was in the original.
     
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