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Questions KJVOs Can't Answer.

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by skanwmatos, May 3, 2004.

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  1. David J

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    Typical KJVO response. No time to answer hard questions but all the time in the world to spread KJVOism...sigh!

    What authority do KJVOist like Riplinger,Ruckman, Gipp, Cloud, etc.. use to call my NASB a perverted bible? Furthermore on what authority does KJVOism rest upon? Apparently there is no final authority in the KJVO camp since they can not answer these hard questions. I don't expect any answers simply because KJVOist can not answer without double standards.

    One question that I would like to add is which KJV is the final authority?
     
    #21 David J, May 3, 2004
  2. gb93433

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    I took a seminary course on Satanism and the occult. That class included the new age. I have read several books on the new age and still cannot figure out why Riplinger labels the MV's as from the new age. I still have yet to hear any reasons tying the MV's to the new age. They state their opinion, but when asked have no answers. From what I have seen they are nothing more than liars. With no answers their words are without substance.

    Anybody have any reasons to support tying the MV's to the New Age?
     
    #22 gb93433, May 3, 2004
  3. Ed Edwards

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    Interesting.
    I listened to one sermon from my
    former pastor about New Age. I know more
    than Doctor Riplinger, Secretary to God,
    about the subject of New Age.

    Brother gb93433: recommend you learn how
    to spell "non sequitor" immediately and
    without delay. I predict You will be using the
    term soon.

    [​IMG]
     
    #23 Ed Edwards, May 3, 2004
  4. Askjo

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    I am NOT a Riplingerite!!!! [​IMG]
     
    #24 Askjo, May 3, 2004
  5. gb93433

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    It would probably save me a lot of time.
     
    #25 gb93433, May 3, 2004
  6. Askjo

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    Agree! [​IMG]
     
    #26 Askjo, May 3, 2004
  7. gb93433

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    I am NOT a Riplingerite!!!! [​IMG] </font>[/QUOTE]What did they say that you would disagree with?
     
    #27 gb93433, May 3, 2004
  8. Askjo

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    Skan asked: From which Greek text is the NKJV New Testament text translated?

    Pastor Bob answered: It is basically the same text as the King James Version. It is the Greek text of Erasmus as popularized and slightly modified by Stephanus and Beza.

    Skan said: Yep. Not the Majority Text. The Textus Receptus.

    Skan, you contradict yourself! You lie again! Go to look at the website where I found. Click here: The Nkjv Greek-english Interlinear New Testament
     
    #28 Askjo, May 3, 2004
  9. TC

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    So, you take the word of some unlearned advertisers and editorialists over the NKJV translators themselves. Sorry, but I'll believe the primary sources over your secondary sources anytime.
     
    #29 TC, May 3, 2004
  10. Pastor_Bob

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    I guess I'm missing something here. As far as I can see, the KJV does translate logos in Hebrews 5:11.

    Heb 5:11 Of &lt;peri&gt; whom &lt;hos&gt; we &lt;hemin&gt; have &lt;logos&gt; many things &lt;polus&gt; to say &lt;logos&gt;, and &lt;kai&gt; hard &lt;dusermeneutos&gt; to be uttered &lt;lego&gt;, seeing &lt;epei&gt; ye are &lt;ginomai&gt; dull &lt;nothros&gt; of hearing &lt;akoe&gt;.
     
    #30 Pastor_Bob, May 3, 2004
  11. Dr. Bob

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    Skan is correct on the Heb 5:11. Pastor Bob, where is "logos" translated? Even in your diagram the phrase "the word" (logos) is missing.

    A literal Greek-to-English would be

    "Concerning &lt;peri&gt;
    "whom" &lt;ou&gt; (Melchi-zedek from previous verse)
    "our word" &lt;ho logos&gt;
    "is" [understood verb]
    "much" &lt;polus&gt;
    "and" &lt;kai&gt;
    "difficult in interpretation" &lt;dusepmaneutos&gt;
    "to speak" &lt;legein&gt;
     
    #31 Dr. Bob, May 4, 2004
  12. gb93433

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    I thought Farstad mentioned on the Ankerberg show that the NKJV was translated from the same text as the KJV, the TR.
     
    #32 gb93433, May 4, 2004
  13. skanwmatos

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    No matter how many times you tell the same lie, it will never be true. "The editors decided to retain the traditional text in the body of the New Testament." You can lie, and lie, and lie, and lie but the fact remains the same. The NKJV is based on the traditional text, the Textus Receptus.
     
    #33 skanwmatos, May 4, 2004
  14. Ed Edwards

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    Amen, Brother Skanwmatos -- Preach it! [​IMG]

    I love this forum and have found no problems,
    but rather christian unity and love
    of and for one another! Certainly a pillar
    of this forum is our dear Brother Skanwmatos.
    May all God's best blessing full and rich
    be unto Brother Skanwmatos this day,
    and unto his family and unto his ministry. Amen.

    [​IMG]
     
    #34 Ed Edwards, May 4, 2004
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    Slambo:No one wants to play your Alexadrian games..You have no final authority and you want others to sink to your level..Get a life!!

    Have you been reading the hooey of another KJVO member of this group and are now parroting one of his pet chants?

    We don't doubt WHO your final authority is-JESUS CHRIST, same as He is OUR final authority. What we reject is WHAT you say your final authority is-ONLY the KJV, and none other, and that you say we who use other versions along w/the KJV have no final authority. This statement is based upon utter nonsense, not Scripture, and has been PROVEN to be a LIE.

    For the final WRITTEN authority to be ONLY the KJV, we must have a directive whom "THE" Final Authority, JESUS. The "who" is always greater than the "what", and here JESUS is the "who" & the KJV is the "what". Please provide us with SCRIPTURE telling us to use the KJV only, or be proven wrong.
     
    #35 robycop3, May 4, 2004
  16. Askjo

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    Agree with this website where I found?

    "The first Greek Interlinear New Testament to feature the New King James Version along with a word-for-word English translation of the Majority Text."
     
    #36 Askjo, May 4, 2004
  17. skanwmatos

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    Because somebody published an interliner which is different from the text used by the NKJV translators does not make that text the text they followed in their translation!

    I have an interlinear, "The Interlinear Greek - English New Testament" by Alfred Marshall. The title page reads, "The Nestle Greek Text with a Literal English Translation . . . also a marginal text of The Authorized Version of King James."

    Now, Askjo, are you dumb enough to say the KJV is translated from the Nestles Text because somebody published an interlinear that is KJV and the Nestles Text? Well, if not, how can you be dumb enough to claim that just because somebody published an interlinear with the Majority text beside the NKJV text that it proves something which you know is a lie?

    I have posted the quote, word for word, from the Preface to the NKJV which says they followed the traditional text. Why do you keep telling the same lie over and over and over again even after you have been exposed as a liar and everybody on the forum knows you are lying?
     
    #37 skanwmatos, May 4, 2004
  18. Lacy Evans

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    This sounds fun!


    1. Where is the word of God now?

    2. What does the original autograph say? That's your standard you bad old Autographadolater. What does it say? Get me a labrador and I'll retrieve it?

    No. (And by the way a whale is a fish!)

    I have a Illongo New Testament translated directly from the KJV. It is pretty "reliable". If there is a question, defer to the KJV.


    Are you finished? Oh yeah, you just about are! Now let's do the changes between the 1769 and the NIV? Hey Mr Moderator, just how much space does this web site have anyway?

    It's time to stop building straw men for us to whack at while you sit back and smugly congratulate yourself for your wit.

    Love lacy

    PS Dd I answer your questions? They were rhetorical right? I could have sworn they were rhetorical.
     
    #38 Lacy Evans, May 4, 2004
  19. Askjo

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    If you believe that the NKJV was based on the TR, it is a critical edition TR. [​IMG]
     
    #39 Askjo, May 4, 2004
  20. skanwmatos

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    1. Where is the word of God now?</font>[/QUOTE]Lacy can't answer question #1.
    2. What does the original autograph say? That's your standard you bad old Autographadolater. What does it say? Get me a labrador and I'll retrieve it?</font>[/QUOTE]    Lacy can't answer question #2.
    No. (And by the way a whale is a fish!)</font>[/QUOTE]Lacy finally answers a question, but his answer is so ambivalent as to be meaningless. He seems to have asserted the old "KJVO Double Standard." The NKJV is wrong for doing exactly the same thing the KJV does!
    I have a Illongo New Testament translated directly from the KJV. It is pretty "reliable". If there is a question, defer to the KJV.</font>[/QUOTE]Lacy can't answer question #4.
    Are you finished? Oh yeah, you just about are! Now let's do the changes between the 1769 and the NIV? Hey Mr Moderator, just how much space does this web site have anyway?</font>[/QUOTE]Lacy can't answer question #5.
    It's time to stop building straw men for us to whack at while you sit back and smugly congratulate yourself for your wit.</font>[/QUOTE]Lacy engages in the tired old KJVO double standard. Any question he can't answer is a "straw man." It is interesting that he seems to believe his position is so weak that even a straw man can demolish it!
    No.
    No. You not only can't answer the questions, you don't know what rhetorical means or you are incapbable of recognizing a rhetorical question. Typical KJVO.
    I am not surprised. You can't answer simple questions so you bluster and blow, huff and puff, knowing that even the straw man can blow your house down!
     
    #40 skanwmatos, May 4, 2004
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