Since the other thread was closed, hopefully we can continue the discussion civilly this time. My last post on the other thread: First off, I apologize, Zaac, for saying you called me a racist. You didn't actually call me a racist, I inferred it from your comments. Secondly, we're obviously not going to agree on probability based on the statistics. What I think we can agree on is the past statistics. In 2011, a far greater percentage of the black population committed murder and rape than the percentage of white people who did. I think we're in agreement so far. Now, not much has changed since 2011. I would wager the numbers are still the same, or close. Now, hopefully you'll agree with me that based on past statistics, there is a problem. There has to be some variable(s) that are different in one group for that group to have such a higher rate. The question is, what do we do to make a difference? In all honesty, the only thing I've been able to do while in the military is volunteer for some school programs every once in a while. Before the military, I worked with inner city kids.