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Racism. Are you sure?

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Precepts, Jan 6, 2004.

  1. Precepts

    Precepts New Member

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    Thank You Lady, but the word "hyphenated" is too kind. [​IMG]

    I hope others will see what we both have seen.
     
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    I have a friend from Jamaica, whose father is Chinese, and his mother is primarily Black. He says too that he has German and Irish in him. I call him "UN on feet" he doesn't get bent outta shape about it and takes it all in stride.
    On a more serious note, QS said in another post that he's not racist, and I'll take his word for it, however we all have prejudices we must ask God to help us with...sometimes we "pre-judge" others, AKA prejudice, in different ways, i.e. Blacks are great Basketball players; Asians are good at math, Irish are drunks, etc. Sometimes we have prejudices about geography..i.e. if you are from New York City, "Oh, you are from Southern California", or "Oh, you are from the South, you hate Blacks,you are a redneck", etc. of course we could go on and on. I grew up in Kentucky and now live in NYC, boy am I mixed up! :eek: [​IMG]
     
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    Fortyish/Bald/Unemployed/Caucazoid/American [​IMG]
     
  4. Jill2778

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    Pastor Kevin,

    LOL

    I am a dumb (Polish) drunk (Irish) American...LOL. I also have some English and Welsh in me.

    Oh well, I am simply proud to be an American. I just wish that America was American.
     
  5. Johnv

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    I don't disagree with you. But the term as far as used here was in regards to identifying a person's race, and whether a person is racist if he'she identifies a person as "black male" "African American male", etc.
     
  6. Precepts

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    I don't know if some body has a warped sense of humor, but has anyone else noticed the "links" at the bottom of the page?

    "Black Singles" and "African American Dating" [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    I thought about joining to see what kind of responses I would get, but then I would have to lie when I applied, I'm a "white cracker", happily married with 4 children, think anybody might catch on?

    Please forgive, all puns intended! :eek: :D
     
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    I've always been offended when asked if I am white on so many forms, especially government forms. If we are supposed to not be racial, why do they need to know? I think many racial problems would dwindle away if we would just call ourselves Americans.

    Do you suppose they use this to keep from offending the illegal immigrants? They really can't say they're American, but they may be the first to jump up and call themselves just that!

    Somebody read your post QS, now they're onto JohnV and his Muppet referral [​IMG]
     
  8. Precepts

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    Absolutely! Olive Branch.

    It's a downright shame people who have been born and raised feel they have to try and identify with their nationality when the immigrants are just proud to be on American soil, willing to leave all else behind and become Americans, that's what they have done for many years in times past at Ellis Island, you "hyphenated" Americans know where that is don't you? Hint, it has something to with The Statue of Liberty!

    Now I suppose somebody will try to call it the French-American Statue of Liberty. :rolleyes:
     
  9. TC

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    Missing from this discussion is the fact that there is only one race - the human race. There are many cultures. There are certain features predominant in certain parts of the world. People have different amounts of pigments which account for different skin colors. But, there is only one race. Every man, woman, or child that has ever lived, has origins in Adam and Eve through Noah.
     
  10. Precepts

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    Not sounding too much like a nazi, please don't ever think that about me, what about the action of the Flood of Noah? Wasn't that the prupose to eradicate the complete sinful mindedness/evil thoughts continually, of the human race, by only saving eight souls, Noah, his wife, their 3 sons and their wives?

    Then that will certainly raise a few questions.

    We associate nationality with race, not necessarilly culture with race,note: Rostafarianism is considered a culture, predominately of the "black" race, mostly Jamaican, but many converts have been white as well as every other race, but when I hear the term "Rostafarian" my mind immediately thinks "black", (attribute that to Bob Marley being the most popular activist), then Jamaican, accordingly, but not all inclusive.

    Now "Jamaican", "black", "pot smoker", etc. doesn't mean "rostafarian", but do indicate a culture, "Jamaican" indicating a nationality because even though a culture is associated by the term, it does not fully describe that culture.

    Now none of these are "racist", but due to the definition of "racist" by many, I could be labeled as one, a "racist", just because of what I just said.

    The label "racist" is too often flung around in a demeaning manner to denigrate the public view of an individual, and that without holding to the real definition, but to one's own "hateful" rendering.

    Why do I say "hateful" rendering? Because so many are set at the ready to spue out their hate so quickly and try to cover it up by "love", when they truly hate the truth, all the while trying to convince others of their opinion and not according to the truth.

    Do I think because I am of the white race/caucasion, that I am any better than another because they don't have the same color of skin? Well, if I do then I'm a racist, but when I consider association to a specific matter of ability for instance: physiacal, mental, artistic, etc. I am so often shown otherwise. Now that will only hurt my pride if, and only if, I am a racist.

    The comment often heard by some blacks, "You just don't have enough soul to move like a black man". I personally agree but in the humorous fashion, but doesn't that make them sound racist? :eek:

    I just admit I'm not double-jointed, and lack some ability.

    I don't consider it a racial slurr, though some might, I guess I'm too dumb to know the difference, but then I refuse the education to teach me otherwise, Uh, anybody catching on?

    If you try to push that kind of education off onto me, then I will step back and "justifiably", call you an educational extremist. [​IMG]

    Wake me up when you're through.
     
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    Every single person... still uses the understanding that there is a Caucasian ‘race,’ that there is an Asian ‘race,’ that there is an African ‘race,’ and an indigenous ‘race.’ Well, I’m here to tell you... that there’s only one race, and that’s the human race. Period.

    Edward James Olmos, spoken during the commencement ceremony at National University, Sunday, May 12, 2002 in San Diego, California
     
  12. Precepts

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    So? Just because some one promotes political correctness at a university commencement service doesn't change the color of a man's skin.

    Which brings me to the possibility of the motive of cloning and inter-racial unions to usher in the "all" alike mentality associated within the ideal, not saying this alltogether wrong, it's just not facing up to the present reality.

    If the eventual outcome produces the population to be "all the same color", then the most common distinction will become who is ugly and who is not, myself being near the top of the clan of not-ugly. :D
     
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    I don't have a problem with my white friends. I don't have a problem with my black friends. I don't have a problem with my Indian, hispanic, and Latin American friends.

    I have a problem with those freakin' blanks on any forms I have to fill out that ask me what my race is. I never know what to mark. My daddy is Filipino. My mama is white. I am a half breed. But they have no lines for a half breed.
     
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    My favorite favorite line in a movie is in Lean on me.

    The black principal, laying in jail, his job done, was told he had to send the kids home.

    He spoke--"I don't have to do anything but be black and die."

    You go, girl
     
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    Take this alongside the disabled issue. A person who is disabled or deformed really doesn't have a chance in this world, except for a few. Those born with a disease or disability will suffer discrimination to it's fullest extent. If they aren't mistreated, they face being ignored, always made to feel different. How is this dealt with? Give them a parking space close to the door, or some money from the government. This is a people that will never be accepted for who they are, nor given full credit for who they could be. These are the ones who are being discriminated against, and they don't have to have a racial profile.
     
  16. Johnv

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    Recognizing that we are all of one race is not political correctness. It's biblical correctness.

    One's skin color does not determine race. Were that so, to many southerners, I'd be black. But for Southern California, I'm rather fair.

    What do cloning and interracial unions have to do with each other? Nothing, from what I can tell.

    Cloning produces a copy of the parent, without regard to that parent's ethnicity. I think you're consufing cloning with genetic engineering.
    "Ugly" and "not ugly" is extremely subjective. I prefer women with long dark hair. It's simply more attractive to me. Some men prefer blondes. A friend of mine is especially attracted to petite Asian women. I prefer women closer to my height. What I find attractive or ugly someone else will not.
     
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    You and I are of the same race. The decline-to-state race. [​IMG]
     
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    Hmm well if everyone is going by nationality and skin color I guess I could say I'm an English/Irish/Cherokee Indian/Caucasion American. ;) But I'd just assume to be called a child of God. I'm a citizen of Heaven.
    I don't care what color a person is, or what contry they came from. I don't care if you argue over three races or one.
    The most important thing is we all have an eternal soul. Some are lost, some are saved.
    You can't measure a persons worth by color, gender, age, appearance or anything.
    We are not just statistics for a census, or faces in a crowd. We are precious beloved souls that Christ loved so much He went to Calvary.
    God loved us and died for us, despite our many mixtures in heratige. God died for the white, the black, the asian, the oriental, the latino the whatever mixture of culture and heratige that you are. Christ died for you, and everyone else.
    That's what's important. We can argue this on and on, but I still say there are two "races", if you will. Saved, and lost. It's up to us to lead others to the Lord so they will become citizens of the greatest contry of all...Heaven.
    Miss Abby
    Proverbs 31:30 KJB [​IMG]
     
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    Here in Hawaii I am known as a Haole...usually not used in a complimentary manner:)
     
  20. Precepts

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    O.K., so skin color has nothing to with race, we're all of the human race. Then the "racial" factor will become the culture factor. The nature of man is to promote himself by the degree whcih he can put another down. Intellectualism usually ends up as the "Last stand". That only because the highly educated and the mentally strong can outwit the physically superior in the survival of the fittest.

    I really like the ideal of there only being one race, but that just isn't the case. The only way to deal with racsim is education, not ignoring the facts and trying to "white-wash" the picture, no pun this time.

    There always has been a distinction in the races and there probably always will be, unless all races intermix and produce a single skin color, but then there will still be shades of that color.

    I have to admit, everyone I know and even myself is prejudice to some degree, but me a racist, no.
     
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