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Racism. Are you sure?

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Precepts, Jan 6, 2004.

  1. Johnv

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    In Hawaii, I'm a hapa-haole ;)
     
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    Black??? Nah, more of a coffe with cream color. ;) For purposes of classification (for whatever reason) you've got to be something. That doesn't make it racist. Is it "sportsist" to be classified as a skier?

    As to African American? Well, I know some Africans who live here. I can't even claim Africa as my "culture," though I may find it interesting. It is my heritage, but so is Native American, and Scottish, as well as Germanic, and others I haven't learned about yet. I may "see myself" in all those cultures, but i'm American by birth, and by what I was formed by in my local culture. I had a lesson in this when I went to Jamaica (where my grand parents on my Father's side were born) for a family reunion. The moment I got there, I immediately realized that to people over there, I was an American. I may have wonderful family over there, but I was still an American tourist . . . Fish out of water. . .

    . . .Besides, "African American takes too long to say, and it seems every generation looks for a different classification from the previous one. . . Too much work.

    Brett
     
  3. Precepts

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    I heard a quote from either Theodore or Frankilin Delano Roosevelt about the "hyphenated" American issue that goes something like this: :If the use of the hyphen is accepted in America in regards to identity, what is known to be the land of the free will become a mass of divided peoples fighting for recognition of cultural behaviours destroying what this country is meant to stand against.

    Isn't that exactly what we are experiencing today?
     
  4. TC

    TC Active Member
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    Wrong. The Bible clearly traces every human being who has lived, or lives today, or will live in the future back to Adam and Eve (Gen. chapters 1 and 2). Paul affirms this in Romans when he states that by one man sin entered into the world and all have become sinners.
     
  5. Precepts

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    Ah, yes. But man looketh on the outward parts and God looks on the inward man. Certainly we should be looking through the eyes of God, but then we would become exactly what the serpent said we would when he said to Eve, ye shall become gods.

    I never doubted the "human race" aspect, but the human race is subdivided by skin color. That is not my doing.

    Just because I can look upon a man and see he has a lighter or darker skin color does not make me a racist, neither does it if I don't lump up everyone into the too widespread, nondefining, human race.

    The human race is made up of races. It's just like when the LORD made the distinctions by the people from which nation they were from. Just like the distinctions He made for Israel not to intermix with the Cananites, the Moabites, the Philistines, etc. Then to just blow everybody's mind, He brought a Moabitess into the picture in the lineage of Christ. But the Word of God still gives the distinction of her Moabitess heritage.

    It's all about distinctions, not racism. It's a matter of identity, not intelligence or aptitude.

    The all-out war against the individual is on, boys and girls, and the mindbending has already begun. Society is slowly being manipulated and brainwashed to ignore truth. This is evidenced by some of the posts just within this miniscule thread.
     
  6. TC

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    Ah, yes. But man looketh on the outward parts and God looks on the inward man. Certainly we should be looking through the eyes of God, but then we would become exactly what the serpent said we would when he said to Eve, ye shall become gods. </font>[/QUOTE]What are you talking about? Genesis 3:4-5 says:
    4 Then the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die.
    5 For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil ."

    This has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Nevertheless, it is a good example of what happens when you pull a phrase out of context and apply it willy-nilly to support whatever you want it to.

    As for believers, the Bible is absolutely clear that no such divisions are to exist. Why hang onto what Jesus has done away with?

    Ephesians 2:11-22
    11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
    12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
    13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
    14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
    15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
    16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
    17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
    18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
    19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
    20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
    21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
    22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

    Galations 3:27-29
    27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
    28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
    29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
     
  7. Precepts

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    Genesis 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods , knowing good and evil.
    It has everything to do with the topic that "I" started
    TC,Whether you like it or not, the "differences" in skin color are not done away, besides, the scripture you quoted has absolutely nothing to do with identity by skin color. It deals specifically with the Circumcision and the Uncircumcision, the Jew and the Gentile.

    Also don't accuse me of "hanging onto" something I never had "hold" of. You politically brainwashed correctness people really have flipped over this one.

    I advocate no difference in people only there can't be denied the varying colors of skin, unless of course you "blind" every body with this liberal agenda to make everyone politically correct. It won't work, there's too many of us who prefer to keep our eyes wide open!

    BTW, the next time you dispute scripture, try doing it with the same version used in your entire post. What "version" is that in the beginning of it? Yours?

    It'll prevent you from looking, "will-nilly" :rolleyes:
     
  8. C.S. Murphy

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    Well willy nilly !!! Play nice friends. By this shall all men know you are my disciples, if you have love one for another.
    Murph
     
  9. Johnv

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    Differences in skin color have never been an issue to God. It is man, as the result of his sinful condition, which results in bigotry, that makes it an issue.

    Which is no more an issue than the color of hair or eyes. Again, the issue is ours, not God's. God didn't create the issue, we did. We need to fix it.
     
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    Your suggestions? Bleach, acid wash, food coloring,dark glasses, genetic coding, holding both hands over your eyes? Love for your fellow man? I believe that one works, but skin color,eye color, hair color, scars, birthmarks,etc. are all identifying traits.

    God made the distinctions in skin color,just as He did in the other areas, for identity reasons, none other, unless you are a bigot. Denying skin color, well, that denotes "political correctness"/liberalism. Sorry, I don't mean to offend, it's just the facts.

    I don't have "an issue", that is my whole purpose of starting this topic, to present the truth, there is no issue, other than the issue of racism, which is wrong alltogether.

    Thanks for posting! :cool:
     
  11. Johnv

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    My suggestion? Don't judge people based on skin, hair, or eye color, etc.

    God made no "distinctions". They're variations in genetic mix. They're inconsequential to Him, and should be to us. A bigot is someone who says someone should be judged by them.

    Denying skin color is politically correct? I watched the Today Show for 5 years before I realized Bryant Gumble was black. Does that make me politically correct or does it simply mean that I don't view skin color as significant?

    THe plain truth is that race is of no importance to God. Hence, it's no importance to me. If that makes God politically correct, then I'm on a winning team.
     
  12. Precepts

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    Who said I did?
    So now God has no control over genetic "mix"? Au Contraire, God made them white, black, yellow, and red, they are all precious in His sight.

    FYI, I'm not a bigot just because I notice my brother to have a different and obvious skin color. I don't let skin color affect me in how I treat people, You?
    Who's Bryant Gumble? Have you had your eye schecked lately? What was it that told you he is black? Since it took you 5 years to notice his skin color, there, by your comparison of bigotry, is a distinct level of racial comparison to deduce that he is black. IOW, there had to be indicators or you couldn't conclude your observation. Is he really black? maybe "off-white"? Maybe you're watching too much t.v.?

    Skin color as significant? What significance? The significance that one has a different skin color is just that; skin color significance, nothing else.
    If race isn't important to God, then why does He proclaim Israel, that predominately olive skin people, though not always the case, as His "chosen"? Why does the Lord even allow differences in skin color? You stated before we made the distinctions, but I'm beginning to believe your opinion of those distinctions have become a method of denigration by accusation of racism and bigotry towards anyone who states a person's skin color. That's ridiculous. It also proves your hypersensitivity to the issue and hinders your view to the truth.

    I sent out this invite in the "Dress for church" topic:

    Feb 3, 2004. Atlanta City Baptist Rescue Mission
    316 Peters Street
    Atalanta, Ga. 7:00 pm

    My experience of preaching there has been to observe the congragation to be predominately black by about 95-99%, almost always all male, around 150 in #. Do these facts make me a bigot? Racist?

    I'll be there,Lord willing. How will you recognize me? Reckon skin color could be a factor? I will admit, I am white, "definitely" balding, overweight, strawberry blonde. Does that make me either a bigot or a racist?
    I quoted you again to make this point, This "Bryant Gumble" must be a very light shade of black. Now I wouldn't deduce him as black, but almost white, er, since you had such a hard time of even noticing a difference. BTW, was it skin color or his hair? :confused:

    Is there some adverse effect by the climate in S.California that nearly disables one's ability to notice distinguishing attributes of identity?

    Next time an assailant mugs you or somebody within your view, I hope when the police ask you for a description you can lay aside your premise and be accurate to lead to his capture. :rolleyes:
     
  13. anybody that ignores skin color .ignores God .God made race . and to ignore race is to go through life blind ( if your blind go to jesus he can heal you ..it's called salvation )job 30:30 job looks at skin color .. song of sol 1:5-6 skin color is noticed ...song of sol 5:11 hair color and texture are noted its all over the scripture if you open your eyes ... this blind "doing away" with color ,hair,gender,facual fetures is of the devil and is being promoted by the likes of michael jackson a moderday tower of babal..
     
  14. by the way if national origin/race did not matter to God then why are some apostles sent to jews and some to gentiles .. lev. 24:10 the jews still new who was an egyptian and who was a jew sombody's keepen track ..zec 14:18-19 God still has people separated by nation in the 1000yr reign of christ (zec 14:18-19 is a prophecy for the future.) see JER 13:23 JEREMIAH MUST have been a biggit to talk like that .. maybe not ,he just had his eyes wide open .
     
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    This Black man has a few things that might send a charge through y'all.

    Bond
     
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    Like what imparticular? I agree with what he's doing!
     
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    Me, too. This is the GOOD JESSE, the Conservative one, the one who never gets the Big Press and who doesn't scam corporations.
     
  18. Maverick

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    Hyphenated Americanism. No matter what you say there are no such animals as - Americans unless they are citizens of two countries. Unless I can freely pass between two countries and vote and partake of all the benefits of both I cannot use the term. A missionary friend of mine is about to get his Canadian citizenship while retaining his American one. Hence he could call himself a American-Canadian. But, he better not because many Canadians would highly resent it.

    From my culture, Kraut, there is this story. Back when Kaiser Wilhelm was getting ready to launch WW I a group of German-Americans went to see him. When his aide-de-camp asked them who they were they said they were a delegation of German-Americans. When told this the Kaiser wisely said, "Germans I know and Americans I know but there is no such thing as a German-American" and he refused to see them.

    If you were born in this country, you are an American whether you parents were born here or not and if they just got off the boat or more likely across the river or if your kin came over on the Mayflower or a slave ship.

    When I was in Germany no one greeted me as a long lost cousin. I was just an American with a Germanic name. Sadly, most Africans do not like Black Americans. They were losers and sold to us as slaves and in their minds they are still losers and they hold them in disdain. Hence it is silly to identify with them. One Black co-worker said he does not get into the wardrobe and such for he may be wearing the colors of his enemy.

    Hypenation only breeds alienation and little "countries" within our country. We are no longer the melting pot where all types of folks come in but they come out of the pot Americans. Everyone just comes for the benefits that the Govt so easily dishes out and hence want a Mexican "state" or an "Arab" state or whatever state within the United States and this what causes problems. People come here and are here for decades and never learn one word of English yet I was fairly fluent in Thai by the time I left after a year tour. They hang together in self made ghettos and only interact with the non-whatevers when it is absolutely necessary. This makes the "natives" restless and distrusting and wanting them gone.

    If you do not want to be an American then stay home and speak your language and hang with your own. If you want to be an American then get with the program and identify youself as such. You do not have to throw away your heritage, unless you are Southerner and proud of your ancestors, by interacting with the culture your cultural things will be absorbed like all the others. For instance, potato chips are being replaced by tortilla chips as America's number one snacks. Many of our "English" words or phrases are actually "imports" from other languages.

    For Black History month, they sold pins a few years back and I usually bought one to show respect but one year it was a map of Africa imposed over the map of the US. I would not buy that one. It just seemed to promote the wrong message though Mfume would be proud to see an African dominated America where he would most likely destroy all records of American history prior to 1960 like the Stalinist tactics he already uses and would probably deport all the Jews.

    In Dixie, we have a favorite bumper sticker, Dixie, if you heart ain't in it then get your tail out." I would suggest that for folks who don't have their heart in America that they also do the same. It is time to close all the borders and give America back to the Americans and then maybe we can fight to get it back to God.

    I am proud that I have many different races in our church from many countries, but they are all proud to be Americans not hyphenated ones.

    God Save the South!
    God Save America!
    Then
    God Bless America!
     
  19. Precepts

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    But Maverick, you know how it is in this day and time, just because you recognize a man's skin color you have become a racist. if you don't allow some one to declare their preference to be recognized by their association to their ancestory you are become a biggot and a hatemonger. Now I'm, not saying you are either, but that I have witnessed the perversion of rational thinking and the playing on another as the results of emotionalisms.

    The thing I want to know is how we solve this error of mentality or are we just going to have to figure a way to combat it?

    I'm afraid we have stepped back and fallen asleep onm God and let the immoral liberal agenda just about take over in our country and it's high time we do something about it!

    Thank You, Sir for your response!

    Brother Ricky/ Precepts
     
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