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  1. tinytim

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    Is Racism a sin...

    I made the declaration that Racism is a sin in the bi-racial marriage thread, and Mr. M said it is not.. .since it is not explicitly spelled out that it is a sin in the Bible...

    So... who is right, me or Mr M.

    Is racism a sin?
    What scriptures teach this?
     
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    Hahahahahahahahaha...this is hilarious. Having a fit and then attempting to recruit people to take your side. Sadly, this is the method the Pharisees used to form a mob and murder Jesus. Tsk tsk. But I am sure you'll have some takers.

    As a matter of point, YOU nor I am right and your question is flawed. The Bible is right but then you APPEAR TO ME TO BE very concerned about your being seen as right so I understand why it is more important for you that people determine YOU are right as opposed to the Bible. I'll leave you to your rope.
     
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    When racism was apparent in scripture, (think Samaritans,) Jesus always went against the social norms of the day.

    If racism honors God, then honor Him with it. If racism doesnt honor God, then its sin.
     
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    I believe racism is a sin, but maybe his definition is different from yours?

    I would define racism as believing one certain ethnic group is superior to all others. This would include putting others down as less of a person because of their color or nationality.

    True racism involves pride, which is a deadly sin. You cannot be humble, or godly, while at the same time elevating yourself above others. The Bible cautions us not to think more highly of ourselves than we ought to think. Also, I believe it was Paul who said there was neither Jew nor Greek in Christ. If anyone has the exact verse, feel free to post it. I'm running on very little sleep lately.
     
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    It is impossible for every sin to be specifically identified in scripture. We are to love one another so to be racist is a sin. Whether it is DECLARED a sin in scripture does not change what it is, a sin.

    "As I have loved you, so you also should love one another" James 13:34

    Jesus commands us to love our neighbor as ourselves in James 2:8

    1 Corinthians 13: 4-8, 13
    Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.. And now the greatest of these three remain: faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love.


    We can't love one another as ourselves if we feel superior to them. This is impossible.
     
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    It depends what you mean by racism. If you mean racial superiority, that is a sin; but if you mean racial separation, then no that is not a sin.

    The Bible clearly condemned interracial marriages for Israel to keep them pure, for them it was a sin to marry inter-racially. A Christian is free to marry outside of their race, but they are best off to marry an equal yoked partner that comes from a similar racial background, whatever it may be.

    We are justified before God by faith, and we justify God before men by works. The fact that someone even asks this question means that someone has a problem with it.

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    If my marrying of someone from another race caused a lost person to discount the gospel message I preach, then it would have been better for me not to have done that.


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    Maybe I am helping recruit people for you...
    The good posters here know their Bible...

    If you are right, you have nothing to fear.

    I don't care about being right... as much as I am declaring that sin is sin.
    And racism is a sin...
    Jesus came to save the world, not just one race..
    There is no difference...
    Peter was racist, and God told him to not call what He had created unclean.
    Jesus went to the Samaritan.
    We are told to love our neighbor as our self... what if your neighbor is a different race? If you are racist, you just broke a commandment.

    Jesus said to not judge by appearance, but to judge righteously.

    Lifting your race above others is prideful and selfish...

    BTW... I don't need help fighting racism... God is on my side.
    He died for all those people you don't like.
     
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    The condemnation was not because of skin pigment, but because of religious differences...
    A Black Christian is not unequally yoked to a White Christian in marriage..
    They are equal,
    Unless you think that one is less than the other...
    This is the racism I am describing...

    When I say racism, I am meaning that one person of one race thinks they are superior because they are of a certain race.
    And other races are inferior...

    That is racism in the classic sense.
     
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    Yep, I'm with TaterTot.

    The scriptures leave us with the impression that Christ cared little for the physical differences of humans.
     
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    You see, this demonstrates your deception and dishonesty. Here I have posted at least TWICE in the other thread that you have read and responded to the following qualifier:

    I made it clear my argument is whether the Bible says it is a sin or not and NOT whether I personally view it as something acceptable or unacceptable to my conscience in liberty.

    But what does a dishonest man do? He lies. How DARE you state "he died for all those people you don't like" when I have said NO such thing and made it clear twice in posts YOU have read that NONE of this is to reflect my personal conscience on the matter. But again, I am not surprise. I leave you again to your rope and attempt to recruit a co-hating mob.
     
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    I have to say that I think sometimes we confuse racism with one cultural group's desire to NOT conform to another groups ways. Example: I cannot stand to hear the loud vulgar boom boom from the car next to me, which is usually (but not always) someone of another race. But that shouldnt cause me to think that all people of that race enjoy that kind of vulgarity because I know that is not the truth.

    And I have a sneakin' suspicion that JEsus wasnt white :eek:
     
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    Sir you accused me of adding to the Word of God by declaring that racism is a sin...

    If you are not a racist, then my apologies, but by defending racism, you have made yourself look like a racist.

    Do you believe that racism is a sin?
    If not, then that means it is not a sin, and God will condone it, nay, promote it.

    I do apologize for claiming there are those that you don't like....For I don't know who you like or don't like.
     
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    I see Tiny Tim as doing nothing more that gendering discussion (and debate) on a subject, and not trying to recruit.

    First, we have to determine what the definition of "racism" is.

    If, as some have suggested, it is thinking you're superior because of the color of your skin, or despising someone else because of the color or yours, then it is pride, among other things.

    However, if you point out statistics that are prevalent amongst those of "black culture" (please note the quotation marks; I will define what I mean, if necessary) such as the fact that one certain demographic that makes up 13% of the population, but commits 48% of the violent crime, and make suggestions as to what to do, you are declared a "racist", even if you're black. (In which case, you're an oreo or an Uncle Tom.)

    I Jesse Jackson "racist" for being relieved when he's being followed by footsteps down a dark street and finding out it's a white man?

    Are Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams and Bill Cosby racists for expecting blacks to behave themselves in a civilized manner? Would I be racist for expecting the same thing? (What I'm pointing out here is that if I point out bad behavior among whites, it's OK (although I might still be a "hater"), but if I point out the same bad behavior among blacks, I'm labelled a "racist".)

    So, define "racism".
     
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    A black Christian and a white Christian are free to marry in the sight of Christ, and yes are equal in His sight, but there are some in this world to whom that would be a stumbling block for them coming to Christ. Christ tells us not to place a stumbling block before a weak brother or even brother to be.

    Just like alcohol. Many people believe the Bible permits it in moderation, but whenever I run across a heathen, they believe that a Christian should not drink.
    Hence I don't drink, or even watch TV for that matter.


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    NO... really... Jesus.... wasn't .... white....??????????

    But all the photographs!!!!
    They prove he was!!!

    :laugh:
     
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    I just cannot believe this is even a topic we would discuss as Christians.

    Racism is a sin. End of discussion!
     
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    Your apology is acknowledge. I take issue that I have made myself look like a racist. Again, I clearly posted qualifiers that such a view cannot be rightly interpreted one way or the others.

    I believe that at some times in some places racism can and is sinful. How do I know? I know it for me so that makes it true in some places and at some times. However, I cannot say that for all people since God did not say it is so in that manner. I can only subjugate it to a matter of liberty.
     
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    Right, I didn't want to derail the bi-racial thread anymore than it was derailed, and wanted to bring this debate to the debate section...

    And here is the definition I am using...
    If others use a different definition.. let me know..
    But in this world today, when someone speaks of racism, this is what they are speaking about...
    From Dictionary.com
    rac·ism
    –noun 1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. 2.a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination. 3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
     
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    Said Jim Jones...who ended all his declarations in the same manner.
     
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    Are you using the same definition of racism as I?

    See above post to see the definition I am using...

    Because, I don't believe racism is ever NOT a sin... based on this definition..
     
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