Radical Muslims for Obama

==Anyone who knows anything about Islam will know that spending time in a Muslim school, studying the Koran, and looking to a Muslim for guidance, does not make one a Muslim. This kind of misinformation campaign is sad, mainly when it comes from Christians. I don't understand why we can't stick to the important issues. I don't understand why we have to go off the track and entertain wild theories that have no solid basis in fact. I just don't get it. I don't like Obama, I will not vote for Obama, but I do believe we should strive to stick with the facts and only the facts.

 

==In '00 both Christians and Muslims supported George W Bush. Do you believe the Muslims saw something in Bush? I am amazed at how many Christians are willing to go flying off the tracks in the name of politics.

 

==Source?

==Of course you have yet to prove, with solid facts, that he was ever a Muslim.

==Source?

==Well, since you seem to believe that a Muslim should not be president then you seem to contradict the very Constitution you claim to believe (Article 6).

==Voting for Obama is a very bad idea. However, not for the "reasons" that you are giving.

 

==Since Bush's family is connected to the oil business and since Bush was in that business for a period of time, I think it is no surprise that he has associates who are Muslim. Does that make him a bad person in your eyes?

 

Questions about Obama's possible Moslem connections and faith are reasonable and appropriate.

 

Which verses? Also, if a son of a Muslim is always a Muslim, there is no hope for them to ever be a Christian in your view.

 

No, that is not how it works. You made the assertion, you cite YOUR source.

 

Can this quote from him be verified?...
"My father was from Kenya, and a lot of people in his village were Muslim. He didn't practice Islam. Truth is he wasn't very religious. He met my mother. My mother was a Christian from Kansas, and they married and then divorced. I was raised by my mother. So, I've always been a Christian. The only connection I've had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father's side came from that country. But I've never practiced Islam. … For a while, I lived in Indonesia because my mother was teaching there. And that's a Muslim country. And I went to school. But I didn't practice. But what I do think it does is it gives me insight into how these folks think, and part of how I think we can create a better relationship with the Middle East and that would help make us safer is if we can understand how they think about issues."
[source: http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5286]

So he thinks he's always been a Christian, to answer your question from his perspective as to whether we were all something else before we became a Christian. And regardless of whether muslim countries would assume him to be an apostate worthy only of death, exactly how could he "make us safer' in regard to middle eastern issues?

 

I was responding to your comments. You raised the issue, I was just responding. Let the facts speak for themselves...

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Do you believe the Muslims saw something in Bush?
Sure they did, they saw his business associates with Muslims for many years (Saudi family), they saw how he sponsored them getting their own US Postage Eid Stamp (he signed on to it while he was governor of Texas). They have had his ear in the WH for many years. Unfortunately, I was one gullible Republican who didn't do my homework before I cast my ballot for him. Much of this was not covered in the press until after the fact, either that, or I didn't have Google back then. But the 2nd time around, I knew what a wolf in sheep's clothing Bush was. And that's why I want to investigate thoroughly everyone who is running for POTUS, who supports them, who has supported them in the past, what ties they have (if any) to terrorists or anti-American groups, radicalism, etc.

Today 10:27 PM Post # 23

 

His faith, according to the United States Constitution, is not an issue. His faith is also not an issue according to the very idea of freedom of religion. The questions are not appropriate either since they are being raised in a way that paints Obama in an untruthful light.

 

Get this straight. You do not decide for anyone else whether or not his faith is an issue. As for me and many many Americans it is one of the primary issues. You do not decide for anyone else what is an issue or not. Freedom of religion does not dictate that I or anyone else must vote for a Moslem. And just to be clear I would neither vote for a Molem nor a member of the Church of Christ. They are free to follow those false faiths but I am not compelled to vote for them to be dogcatcher.

As I have said I do not know if Obama is a Moslem. And neither do you know he is not. And that is the key Martin. You do not know. And I have yet to see anyone who is attempting to be untruthful on this issue. The issues are real. The concerns are real. And that is just the way it is.

 

So now we get into misuse of mod powers...There WAS NO personal attack here. If you don't like what I say, debate it...but please quit calling words what they are not for the purpose of censorship. It is also funny when I am called a liar, communist, marxist, and other epithets, there is no deletion of such.

I can only assume whatever I said touched a nerve somewhere.

 

==Nobody has said someone must vote for anyone.

==I have to go with the evidence. There is no evidence that he is a Muslim.

==I have seen posts attempting to paint Obama in a light that is simply not based on the facts. I don't know what else to call it other than gossip.

 

Care to expound? If a son of a Muslim is always a Muslim, do you think there is any hope for them to be a Christian...or in your view are all Muslims doomed from the start?

 

You implied that no one should consider his faith when considering to vote for him. That leaves it open that he should not be disqualified in the mnds of Americans because of his faith on a perssonal level. That is not your call.

There is plenty of evidence that should raise questions.

Plenty of facts have been given.

 

No facts have been given that prove Obama is a Muslim. None. All we have seen in these threads has been speculation, the passing on of gossip, and faulty logic. There is no evidence that Obama is, or ever has been, a practicing Muslim.

 

Actually he went to a Madrass school and studied out of the quran. That is fact. To bad we did not have more "gossip "of the 911 terrorists. There are enough red flags to question it and it should be discussed.