RE: Can a man sin a sin unto death after being born again#2

John answers the original question very plainly:
"If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it" (IJohn 5:16).
If a man sees who? John would not be speaking here of a brother pertaining to the flesh, but a spiritual brother.
Sad to say, but a blood-washed believer could do something so serious, that God takes the rest of their life here from that person. As a natural child here on earth may lose privilages for misbehavior, so it is that God may use different means to chastise those that are His, even to the such a severe extent of being called home. This, after all, is not killing the child (as a natural parent has no right to do) a believer merely passes from one life to another.

 

In some maybe even many or most but not all cases is this true and as you imply to "make a case" perhaps even a wrong one. But there is a good reason to appeal to the Greek and Hebrew and the KJV translators said it more elegantly than I am able:

Because they are the tongues by which God was pleased to speak to His Church by the prophets and Apostles.

HankD

 

Not really, what kind of reception do you think one will receive who is saved "yet so as by fire".

Also if the Church will not discipline the sinning one and he will not repent then God will take him home to keep the rest from being infected.

KJV Revelation 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
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So why don't we all just commit suicide then? Heaven is a greater reward. There is also a greater punishment at the Judgement Seat of Christ, when we shall all give account of ourselves. What we do on this earth will count for all eternity.

 

How do you preach from the original text? The original text does not exist for any of the books of the Bible.

 

Ask yourself if you were quoting Paul accurately? You were not!
Your implication is that heaven is such a great reward now that the sin unto dieath (whatever that may be) really isn't a bad thing after all. If that is true why not commit suicide and get to heaven sooner to receive our "reward" of heaven sooner. There is something wrong with that logic isn't there? It is called the "will of God." The Lord didn't save you from Hell just so you could immediately die and go to heaven. He put you here for a purpose.
And what do mean you don't have anything to do with salvation. Do you just sit all day behind a computer and never witness to anyone??

 

Who care about this life I would be glad to go home to see Jesus how is that a punishment. You do not make any scence about God will take there life on earth because they done something unto death. So they will go to heaven after. How is that bad. This is the way I took what you just said. God took that Christains life from this earth because they did a sin unto death. But they are sleeping in the peradise of God know. There is a punishment for every sin you do and how is going home a punishment. My brother the law is given to the sinners and disobedant. If you do any of these you are under the law and if you are under the law you shall be judge by the law. The law is the bible and fornication is in the law .So if you fornicate you are under the law and it says in the law such that do these things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. And that is how he shall judge us by the law if you are under it. We are all going to die a natural death. Any one of us can go right know. God knows all things why did he not take that Christain home before he sin that sin unto death. God knows he was going to do it. Because that is not what It means about a sin unto death. I will tell you what will happen to that person that sin that sin unto death if he don't repent .He is going to say hide me from the face of him that sits on the throne:tonofbricks:

 

Amen brother Bob they did start that amen.

 

I dunno' about that, exactly. And I make no claim to being a "little God" at all. While I do understand what you are saying, and I generally tend to say the same, the Bible says something slightly different and a bit more instructive about that, I believe.

It seems there is some ways that we can in fact, '"save" someone' in the Biblical sense. If you do not agree, take it up with the writers and the Holy Spirit, not me. I'm just repeatin' what they said.

Ed

 

For me to respond to you I feel that I need your interpretation of what John meant: What (exactly) did he mean in saying "Sin unto death"?

 

I never said salvation isn't of the Lord. But God isn't going to save without men. He isn't going to send his angels. He isn't going to pick and choose certain individuals and magically save them. Are you superstitious?

No! He chose man to do His work in carrying out the plan of salvation to the rest of the world. In that sense we have a part in salvation. As he says in Acts 1:8

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Romans 10:13-15 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

Jesus paid it all; but then gave us the responsibility of carrying his message of salvation to the ends of the earth. In that we have a part, indeed not only a part but a responsibility.

 

Originally quoted by DHK

I think my statement was clear enough in the first place.