RE: Can a man sin a sin unto death after being born again#2

I thank he is talking about a spiritual death. It don't make any scence he was talking about a natrual death. I fill that this sin unto death is a spiritual death that we have all done and if this man or women that has done this sin unto death needs to repent, believe and be baptised. They never was born again. If someone is born again they know God. 1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. He planly explains what you are if you sin.1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. (Which is sin) vers 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin;for his seed (Jesus) remaneth in him:and he cannot SIN, because he is born of God. So in this a man that is born of God cannot sin a sin unto death.1 John 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is NOT UNTO DEATH, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that SIN NOT UNTO DEATH. THERE is a SIN UNTO DEATH: I do not say he will not pray for it vers 17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. This is the reason I thank a born again Christain cannot sin a sin unto death. Vers. 18 We know that whosoever is BORN OF GOD SINNETH NOT; But he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

 

Brother Bob, who is “him” above.
If you mean the apostles they spoke Aramaic /Hebrew as their native tongue(s) yet they wrote in Koine Greek. Probably because the NT Scripture containing the Gospel was sent to the Gentiles through them.

HankD

 

While I agree that no one can give "eternal salvation" other than God or as in other Scritures, the Lord Jesus Christ, as well, that once again was not exactly what you said.

I've said before that I am not a mind reader, hence I respond to only what is actually written.

And I did read the post, else I wouldn't have responded.

In fact, here is your quote again.

I do not judge how many anyone has 'saved', FTR. Now, was there something wrong with my answer, since Paul and James in the Scripture said otherwise? It was taken directly from Scripture.

Ed

 

Sin unto death

Now you are talking about sinless perfection. Anyone who claims to obtained sinless perfection, just committed a sin, as well as making God a liar: If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. (1Jo 1:8) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1Jo 1:10)
God's Word is not contradictory. The passage you quote has to do with the fact that the truly blood-washed believer has been given a Divine nature, and has the Holy Spirit indwelling. But, we will until our deaths carry around the old fallen nature. It depends on which one we follow day by day, minute by minute. Man does not surrender his free will, we are not robots. We are not only capable, but we will commit sins, if not commission, then omission. To say other wise is contrary to God's Word and, perhaps a bit arrogant.
No parent would look out their window where there child is and, observing them misbehaving, run out and kill the child. No, the child is taken inside, with loss of privileges

 

I did not make God a lier. He is the one who said he that is born of God CANNOT sin. Read it it is in 1 John chapter 3. You as a born again Christain cannot sin a sin unto death. You will sin a sin that is not unto death. I do not care what you thank of me after this. There is a perfect man with in you if you are born again. That man that is perfect in you is Jesus Christ. That seed that you are born of is Jesus Christ. Are you saying Jesus can sin. I am talking spiritual sin that is unto death. There is a inward man and there is a outward man. If you do not understand that you will not understand what I am saying.

 

Sin unto death

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. (1Jo 1:8) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1Jo 1:10)

We go back to these passages. Let me ask-have you attained sinless perfection? Anyone here? Since being a Christian? Never looked twice at a woman-the Lord said that is adultery, never had a bad thought toward a person-the Lord calls it murder. How about something you should have done, but didn't-that is a sin of omission.
John says elsewhere "If we confess OUR sins..." OUR means the person speaking and others-this is the apostle John speaking. Paul could only say "Oh retched man that I am." He never claimed perfection-he pressed to the mark, but never attained. The believers in Corinth were regarding the Lord's Supper it seems as though it were some sort of party. Because of them not taking the Lord's Supper seriously, or not worthily, many were sick and some were asleep. Some were what? ASLEEP.
Yes, I realize that you have some Scripture there, there MUST be an explanation for every verse. Those have to refer to the fact that the Christian can not habitually practice sin, indeed he cannot, he is God's child and God won't have it. God will deal with sin in the Christian, even if it is to the extent of what happened to some of the Corinthians-sleep.

 

No he said he that looketh on a women to lust after her he have cometed adultery. Paul also said Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous I will tell you again if you as a christain comet adultery you Will go to hell. You was never born again. Please read Galatian 5:19-21 it tells you what will not inherit the kingdom of God and adultery is one of the first things he states will not inherit. If you are doing these things and say you are a Born Again Christain you lie and do not the truth. You need to repent and be born again. You deceive your self when you thank that you are something and you an't. Only the devil will tell you that them things that you are doing are ok. A person that do these thing is not ok. You need to study more brother and rightly devide the word of truth. Has someone told you that these sin are ok. You said something about having a bad thought about someone and that is killing that is in Gal. But a born again Christain will not do something like that. 1 John 3:14 We KNOW that we have passed from death unto LIFE, because we love the brothren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in DEATH. 15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye KNOW that no MURDERER hath eternal life ABIDING IN HIM. Ok 1John 3:10 In this the children of GOD are MANIFESTED, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not RIGHTEOUNESS is not of GOD, NEITHER he that loveth not his brother. I am not saying that you do these things but if you do . I do not beleive you know God. I have given you scripture look it up and read it. You said something about being Gods child that he will not kill them because they done something wrong. That is if you are a child of God.

 

Don't really have to read the rest of the post. If you sin outwardly you sin inwardly. If you commit the outward sin of adultery what have you done? How can you do that in the flesh without doing that inwardly (whatever that means)? First reconcile this type of dualism that you believe in. It sounds like an early type of heresy to me. Sin is sin. If you commit it with your hands (outwardly) it still sin. A fleshly sin is still a spiritual sin. Ask David and read his Psalm of repentance in Psalm 51. "Against thee and thee alone have I sinned." he said to the Lord.

 

I still think this thread poses a deeper question of our faith. Therefore, it is my position that, Jesus Christ is Lord of my life.

 

Wow, excellent point. Perhaps it could be that, we are still in the flesh, in a very literal sense, but spiritually, we are in Christ? This would seem to satisfy both arguments. Does that make sense?

 

So it is a question of our faith entirely.

 

First of all what he is tring to say is a born again Christain cannot sin inwardly . that is why he said that in 1 John . FOR HIS SEED REMANETH IN HIM AND HE CANNOT SIN BECAUSE HE IS BORN OF GOD. DHK you said that all sin is the same. It is not, there is a sin unto death and there is a sin not unto death. If they where all the same he would have said there is a sin unto death and left the sin not unto death out. There is a sin not unto death and there is a sin unto death. Why do you thank Paul wrote about if we sin and then he said we cannot sin. We cannot sin inwardly because the soul witch is inwardly is born of God. You cannot sin being Born again. Ok DHK if you say that you have been born again and you sin inwardly than what does that make you. It make you not Born of God. Because the bible tells me that you cannot sin being born again. You have seen the works of the flesh witch is in Galations 5:19-21 Now let me tell you about the work of the spirit Love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness,goodness, faith. Meekness, temperance: against such THERE IS NO LAW And they that are in Christ's have CRUCIFIED THE FLESH with the AFFECTIONS and LUST. Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to the flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that sowth to the spirit shall of the spirit reap life everlasting. Go ahead and sow to the flesh. But for me I will sow to the spirit.