RE: Promise Keepers....

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  1. ATeenageChristian

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    I am having a spiritual issue with Promise Keepers. Why do they only help men? Why not women and men? What are your opinions on this evangelical ministry? :confused:
     
  2. Don

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    You mean, "ecuminical" ministry.

    My spiritual problem with Promise Keepers is that it encourages--nay, requires--us to fellowship and accept those that teach and practice beliefs that are contradictory to the Bible.

    I cannot, in good conscience, pray with a Mormon knowing that he doesn't pray to the same god I do. Nor can I, in good conscience, give the appearance of condoning his beliefs.

    As for the "it's only men" gripe--so what?
     
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    I am thankful for PK. Men need a specific ministry to only them to meet needs on the level that only a man can help with. As for praying with mormans, let me just say that I'm grateful anytime I get the chance to do so, it gives me oppertunity to display Jesus to them.

    Karen
     
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    I have a problem, too, with the ecumenical aspect of it.

    I don't have a problem with all the men---in fact, I rather love it. I would volunteer at a PK event way before any women's event.
     
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    There is a women's ministry similar to PK, but I can't remmber the name of it, it hasn't taken off like Pk has.
    There are several good women'e ministries out there, aimed spiritual growth, and ministering to women's needs. Living Proof with Beth Moore is one of them, although I'm not familiar with the others I know they are out there.
     
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    Women of Faith
     
  7. PreacherDave

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    PromiseKeepers was started by a Roman Catholic (first strike) that is divorced (second strike)! The movement is intentionally ecumenical in an unbiblical sense (3rd strike)--esp. promoted by Vineyard (a wayout Charismatic group--4th strike). They promote unity with Mormons & all other cults who would sign the nefarious "belief statement" (5th strike!). They toss doctrine out of the ballgame (how many more strikes do you need??); promote man-made psychology (yet another) over the Word of God (and again...). The pull is emotional over an intelligent, Spirit-inspired Bible-based establishment; using the Scriptures only when convenient (another strike).
    When there is so much else out there that is solidly Biblical, truly changing lives-- why on earth would any Christian (meaning the word truly) desire to be part of PK?
    As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!
     
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    Mark 9:38-41
    38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.

    39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

    40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

    41 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.
    KJV
     
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    A recently deceased fellow stands before St. Peter and asks to be let into Heaven. St. Peter asks his religion, and the fellow replies 'Episcopalian.'
    St. Peter says: 'Welcome to Heaven. Go to room 24. Please be very quiet as you pass room 8'.
    Another man arrives at the gates of heaven.
    'Religion'?
    'Catholic'.
    'Go to room 18. But be very quiet as you pass room 8'.
    A third man arrives at the gates.
    'Religion?'
    'Methodist.'
    'Go to room 11, but please be very quiet as you pass room 8'.
    The man says, 'I can understand there being different rooms for different religions, but why must I be quiet when I pass room 8?'
    St. Peter tells him, 'Well the Baptist are in room 8, and they think they're the only ones here'.
     
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    I would remind y'all that this forum is in the Baptist only section. Further, Preacher Dave's comments are valid objections from a Historic Baptist POV. Nuggets from the Mother Lode, I dare say.

    Taking you back to your regular programming.
    In His Service,
    Robertsson

    [ December 11, 2001: Message edited by: The Squire ]
     
  12. Dr. Bob

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>"Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Different groups have different ministries. Want to take a quiz? The only organism - organization that Jesus established to DO these ministries was:<UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>Promise Keepers to help men with accountability<LI>Gideons to distribute Bibles<LI>Campus Crusade to witness to college-aged youth<LI>YMCA to provide wholesome recreation<LI>American Tract Society to print a jillion tracts<LI>Navigators to provide small group support for new believers[/list]Okay. You KNOW the answer: the local church.

    These others are all good programs, but they are para-church organizations. They started out to help the church and now have taken on a life for themselves - demanding time, loyalty, money. And instead of helping they seek to replace the one thing that Jesus ordained: His Church.
     
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    AMEN, Bob. The local New Testament Church, the bride of Christ.
     
  14. PreacherDave

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    Here, here. The local church is the seat of true accountability (unless you are Harold Camping and believe the Church is dead). I have found (and am finding) that the relationships within the Church are vital to the transforming of men's (and women's) lives.

    BUT! (you might say) My church does not teach me what I need to know about the family and my responsibilities! Therefore I need this or that parachurch organization to keep me in line (AKA, Promise Keepers).

    I suggest that you start asking questions of your God given Elders! Dive into the scriptures and seek to be sanctified by the Word of God and prayer. Then and only then will you start seeing a change in your life.

    Those who seek to find solace in diluted movements for the sake of pseudo-fellowship are serving the god of "tolerance."

    The scripture that was quoted about others doing things in Christ's name does not imply adherence to improper doctrine. We must BE CAREFUL what we serve!
     
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    You are right.The church might not tell you, but careful, prayerful reading of the scripture tells you plenty. Child training, how to love your family, relationships with friends, it's all in there for us. What a great tool. It really is all we need for a complete Christian life.
     
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    I whole-heartedly agree with PreacherDave. For those of you who are not yet convinced that PK is spiritually destructive, please take some time and prayerfully listen to these sermons by Pastor D.A. Waite:
    Promise Keepers Refuted #1
    Promise Keepers Refuted #2

    A Handmaid to Ecumenicalism
     
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    I wholeheartedly agree with Preacher Dave, but then, I'm his wife!! :D
    Aside from that, thanks Psalm 145 3 and Squire for your hearty Amen's.
    What my husband said was spoken out of conviction from studying the movement, understanding what the Word says about being unequally yoked, and also the experience of up-close knowing people who compromise truth for so-called unity.
    Jesus spoke in a way many consider(ed) harsh. Yet He never backed down on the Truth. He spoke it in love, but He spoke it. So must we, if we truly love Him!

    [ December 12, 2001: Message edited by: javalady ]
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PreacherDave:
    PromiseKeepers was started by a Roman Catholic (first strike) that is divorced (second strike)! The movement is intentionally ecumenical in an unbiblical sense (3rd strike)--esp. promoted by Vineyard (a wayout Charismatic group--4th strike). They promote unity with Mormons & all other cults who would sign the nefarious "belief statement" (5th strike!). They toss doctrine out of the ballgame (how many more strikes do you need??); promote man-made psychology (yet another) over the Word of God (and again...). The pull is emotional over an intelligent, Spirit-inspired Bible-based establishment; using the Scriptures only when convenient (another strike).
    When there is so much else out there that is solidly Biblical, truly changing lives-- why on earth would any Christian (meaning the word truly) desire to be part of PK?
    As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
     
  19. Danjp

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    Well said you are correct we are often encouraged to fit in and blend in and get along. We must remain seperate from the blend that is the world and we can be kind about it <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PreacherDave:
    PromiseKeepers was started by a Roman Catholic (first strike) that is divorced (second strike)! The movement is intentionally ecumenical in an unbiblical sense (3rd strike)--esp. promoted by Vineyard (a wayout Charismatic group--4th strike). They promote unity with Mormons & all other cults who would sign the nefarious "belief statement" (5th strike!). They toss doctrine out of the ballgame (how many more strikes do you need??); promote man-made psychology (yet another) over the Word of God (and again...). The pull is emotional over an intelligent, Spirit-inspired Bible-based establishment; using the Scriptures only when convenient (another strike).
    When there is so much else out there that is solidly Biblical, truly changing lives-- why on earth would any Christian (meaning the word truly) desire to be part of PK?
    As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
     
  20. Mike McK

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    Back in the early - mid nineties, I got into the whole PK thing.

    I'm not saying that all the things you all are saying aren't true, but in my experience, I found it to be a very positive experience.

    I appreciated the opportunity to come together with my Catholic friends and other Christians whom I didn't get to see all that much.

    The only problem I had with PK was that they tended to rely on a very high sense of emotionalism and they pushed the commercialism a little too much.

    How can somebody sell as much stuff as PK did with such a low overhead and still go bankrupt?

    Mike

    http://www.keylife.org
     

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