Reading: anyone like Grudem or Piper?

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  1. 3John2

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    Hello! I'm new to this board. Just wondering if anyone here likes to read books by either Wayne Grudem or John Piper. I just recently discovered these two. I am currently working my way through Grudems "Systematic Theology" & I also am reading "Desiring God" by John Piper. Any thoughts or opinions?
     
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    Two of the best writers today, along with John MacArthur. I rate them like this.

    MacArthur, premier expositor.

    Grudem, premier theologian.

    Piper, premier writer on spiritual experience.
     
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    I have mixed feelings about MacArthur. Sometimes he is REALLY good then sometimes he makes asinine statements like when he talks about charismatics. Being one I disagree with him. He always picks the worst examples of charismatics that he can. I guess it would be like someone picking the worst "redneck" to use as an example of a fundamental Baptist. I do like his other stuff though. VERY good once again. Grudem I LOVE so far!! I like his stand he took regarding new translations. Very bold. As for Piper so far so good as well. Except I don't agree with his Reformed theology. But DG is a great book. I'm LIVING that!!! I also liked his book on fasting. I like MacArthurs stand he took on Larry King as well!!! GREAT!!!
     
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    I like Piper. Last I read was The Supremacy of God in Preaching, and before that I think it was his book on Job.
    Gina
     
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    Mac, Grudem and Piper are all Reformed. To like Piper without liking his Reformed theology is akin to liking music without the melody, harmony, and instrumentation.
     
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    My favorites (including MacArthur). [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    I understand they are all Reformed. I just don't believe God is a respector or persons. I don't wish to get into it here but I DO LOVE PIPER'S BOOKS!! I think he has a lot to offer. I just don't believe in TULIP. As for MacArthur like I said "Charismatic Chaos" aside I think he is VERY VERY good. I think they are all a blessing.
     
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    Well, the kinds of charismatics Mac encounters in [snipped - replace with California] are a bit far out compared to charismatics in other places. That might have something to do with his views.

    [ October 19, 2003, 04:06 PM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob Griffin ]
     
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    The first book by Piper I ever encountered was The Justification of God some years ago. A very insightful writer. Grudem is also excellent. As you probably know, the two co-edited a book called Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood back in 1991. I highly recommend it.
     
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    I fail to understand how anyone can "love" the writings of Grudem and Piper and disregard the Reformed theology of either. One, the writing, stems from the other, Reformed theology. One cannot have the rose and ignore the roots.

    Cheers,

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    ^Reformed theology is evil?
     
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    Someone said Reformed theology is evil???? I haven't seen that anywhere.

    Cheers,

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    The other night on the Bible Answer Man show someone called asking about John Piper. Hank Henagraaf went on to say that he is a very reliable teacher and totally recomended him. However, he did give a little caveat about his strong Calvinism and told the caller he should be careful in this area.

    I don't see any problem with this approach. I love John Macaurther but don't agree with all of his conclusions but hear him out on everything.

    If we only listened and supported ministries which we agreed with 100%, then we wouldn't be listening or supporting ANY ministires. We need to realize that we're going to reach different conclusions on many secondary issues.

    Jacob.
     
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    Our Christian Life and Throught professor here at Cedarville uses Grudem's "Bible Doctrine" book as our text book. I think it's pretty good, my only problem with it so far is I think he could have gone a little farther in depth about the Biblical canon.
     
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    I think Grudem covered the canon VERY well in his "Systematic Theology". I agree about listening to someone all the way through. If I had disregarded MacArthur because of his Charismatic views I would have lost a tremendous blessing in his other teachings. I also heard a guy on the radio, a show called "The Unknown Bible". The guy is a Baptist but he was slamming Calvinism. Oh well. I don't agree with it but like I've said I enjoy the above mentioned three. The points of TULIP pertain to soteriology so that doctrine aside I can be blessed by the other teachings.
     
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    You can like and learn from either. [​IMG] It's easier to learn from someone who disagrees with your theology because it makes you THINK and then seek out answers and become even stronger in what you believe, whether by defending it or realizing you were wrong.
    Gina
     
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    I agree about that. I read "Grace Unknown" by RC Sproul so that I could understand Reformed theology. I STILL do not agree with it but it did make me think. I have no problem reading other books but I'm very selective as I would rather get blessed. Time is TOO short. However on the Grudem & Piper their stuff is really a blessing.
     
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    The book we're using is actually an abridged version of Grudem's "Systemic Theology," so maybe they just decided it wasn't worth keeping in.
    Really my biggest complaint was he never mentioned how we know that THESE books are the books of the Bible, he never says how we know that Hebrews belongs in the Bible but the book of Judith doesn't. Just an annoyance, as it would be quite easy to use that flaw to tear apart much of the theology used in the rest of the book by claiming that the particular book of the Bible he's quoting from shouldn't really be there.
     
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    HE does cover that in his Systematic Theology. Specifically about Hebrews now that you mention that.
     

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