I am stepping outside the field of evangelism and into Apologetics. My first time doing something like this as typically I am a open air preacher. Last night I made an attempt to reason with three Catholic leaders at their church for 2 hours. I had said that the meeting would be primarily about Justification and other topics would need to wait for other meetings, as I believe Justification is the Catholics weakest point. However they hit me on a weak spot on the topic of Canonization as unfortunately I did not come prepared to debate on that topic and the leader did not keep his agreement to debate only justification. I have this book on Catholics by James White, but he does not hit on the topic as well as Norm Geisler in another book that I have, so I am looking through both books for the next meeting. I had a number of verses on Justification by faith written down and gave them a few but they kept holding to their works based argument using passages from James and also Matt 25 to indicate that works are required for salvation. However the passage that seemed to hit a nerve was Gal 2:16 (KJV) Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Their response to this verse was that its application is first century only and not applicable for today. Strange argument, and at the same time they believe the book of James and Matt 25 is applicable to us today. We plan to meet again and this time I will be ready on canonization as this Norm Geisler book I have is providing much detail on this topic. Anyone ever reasoned with a Catholic? As a Calvinist all I can do is plead with them and attempt to reason, however at this time God has not granted faith and repentance to them as they may not be of the elect, so since they are interested we will meet again, but if they continue to reject the gospel, I will dust off my feet and leave. Perhaps at a later date they will come to faith. Also one question. Why do they like NT Wright?