ReBaptism and Private Prayer Language

I'd hardly call a handful of private bloggers as the SBC. The OP says this is "rocking the SBC". meanwhile, all the SBC people I know are looking at each other asking us where the rocking is. </font>[/QUOTE]Agree -- our pastor is on the board of the BGCO and I mentioned this to him. He said, naaaahhhh.

 

Dear Christians Friends,

I'm sorry to disabuse you of the notion that these decisions by the trustees of the IMB were not covered in Baptist Press, but they were. They were also covered in the Associated Baptist Press, an arm of the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship. Information about these decisions were available to those to pay attention to actions taken by denominational bodies.

By the way, I really don't know what the people on this Board who are not SBC are complaining about. The trustees of the IMB were put in place by the messengers of the SBC to operate "in trust" the IMB. If you don't belong to an SBC church, if you don't give to the Cooparative Program or to the Lottie Moon Christmas Offering, I really don't see why you would care what the IMB trustees do. I am a member of an SBC church, I do give to the Cooperative Program and Lottie Moon, and I am a former SBC foreign missionary. I don't see an issue here. The trustees are just trying to ensure that our mission funds are being spent on people who have the same kinds of beliefs as do most people in the SBC. I would expect them to do no less, even if I might not be as worried about these issues as the trustees are.

In addition, I don't see Jerry Rankin going anywhere soon. There are no signs that the trustees have lost any confidence in him . . . he's in the saddle until he retires.

In short, this is a nonissue.

Merry Christmas,

LD

 

I'd hardly call a handful of private bloggers as the SBC. The OP says this is "rocking the SBC". meanwhile, all the SBC people I know are looking at each other asking us where the rocking is. </font>[/QUOTE]I agree with John. A few private blogs is not the "SBC" being rocked.

 

Oh really?

Here is the Baptist Press article from their archives on it:

http://www.baptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?ID=22133

 

I'd hardly call a handful of private bloggers as the SBC. The OP says this is "rocking the SBC". meanwhile, all the SBC people I know are looking at each other asking us where the rocking is. </font>[/QUOTE]I agree with John. A few private blogs is not the "SBC" being rocked. </font>[/QUOTE]I agree with JohnV and PastorSBC. I've been a member of a SBC for 11 years and a SBC monister for 6. My church is very involved in our local association and I've heard nothing of the "rocking" the OP speaks of.

The link PastorSBC posted above is pretty clear of the board's position.

 

I'm not in complete agreement with the IMB's stance on baptism. That's because they didn't go far enough. All the IMB has to do is to require baptism by a Southern Baptist congregation, or a church of like faith and order. I've seen the doctrinal statements of some non-Baptist congregations which are Baptist in every way but name, and I'd accept their baptism in a heartbeat.
That the IMB stance is controversial can be laid directly at the feet of those local churches who accept alien baptism. Once they've let down the bar on baptism, all sorts of mischief follows.

 

I'd hardly compare Matt Drudge to the aforementioned bloggers. That's like comparing my own personal blog to the AP.

 

Just wait and see if the he doesn't step down and then declare God has given him a new ministry just like Hemphill did at SWBTS.

 

First, Baptist Press had no article according to you...then they had an article, but it just didn't say things the way you wanted it.

Now, these private bloggers are the equivalent of Matt Drudge

I think you just enjoy stirring stuff up because things are not going the way you would like them to go.

 

Sadly, politics will occur everywhere and in every organization on this Earth to one level or another. As long as humans are involved, politics will also occur. We are not perfect and therefore, neither are our churches. This is NOT to cut down churches, but to face reality that we are dealing with humans with their flaws. No human, but Jesus is or ever will be perfect (at least not on THIS earth).

 

Ok my mistake, I must have misunderstood what you meant. However, the SBC is a large body of people, is the Baptist Press supposed to print an article everytime a conservative pastor is upset about something?

They are more than welcome to be upset. But the fact remains that just because a few private bloggers are upset does not mean that the entire "SBC" is rocked, as you stated. I would venture to say that many decisions that are made at a convention level upset a few pastors and people in the pews. That is part of everyone having an opinion and a right to voice that opinion.

 

I am not a big fan of the politics either. But as Phillip stated politics are going to occur anytime there are people involved. What I find is that many people are not upset at "politics" but that the politics are not going the way they would like them to go.

We agree here. Yet I find it odd that you state your love for the SBC and the only time I recall you sharing anything on these boards it is all negative. We are all welcome to share our concerns and negative views of the SBC, but when it is all one-sided you begin to wonder.

 

I think it is an issue that is going to get bigger in 2006.

1. The Rebaptism issue would seem logical if it was the ABA or another Landmark group but the SBC is not Landmark in ideology.

2. The Private Prayer language issue is confusing. No one who openly practices Charismatic speaking in tongues in public is allowed on the mission field is my understanding already. The Private Prayer language is much debated and seems to deal with one's private personal beliefs on prayer. Will someone who prays with a Cross, Icon etc.. in private devotion we disqualified next? I am confused on this Private Prayer language issue.

The BF@M 2000 should be used as the source of qualified and non qualified and I will be more comfortable.

 

Can someone please describe this private prayer language. Is this a thinly disguised version of modern charismatic tongues, or is it something else.

I know the Bible indicates that God hears the groanings of the heart and understands what we are thinking without words, but I have a feeling there is more to this issue.

The rebaptism issue is (to me) a little less of a problem if it is used for Baptism in organizations that are theologically different. (Especially on issues of salvation).

Thoughts?

 

Having the horoscope published in a SBC university is not about politics but about Satan.

Having pictures posted of big money givers is not about politics but about honoring the big money givers.

Having the nickels and noses of each church posted in the Baptist Standard is not about politics but about a manipulation to "encourage" people to give.

 

Consider the books of the prophets.