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And all of that is meaningless and just semantics unless a person accepts the gift that God provided through Christ, the gift of salvation. It must be received.

 

In each context, reception of reconciliation is stated as clearly as the obtaining of reconciliation by the work of Christ. You cannot divorce one without the other as they are both clearly stated. Christ obtained the LEGAL BASIS for reconciliation but the Holy Spirit obtained APPLIED reconciliation.

Rom. 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled [Gr. καταλλασσω] to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement [Gr. καταλλαγη].

They "were" reconciled by Christ on the cross when enemies but it was only the LEGAL BASIS accepted by God which must be "NOW RECEIVED" (v. 10) or applied by the Holy Spirit (v. 5).

The cross does not apply actual salvation any more than the eternal purpose of God applies salvation. That is the covenant obligation and work of the Holy Spirit.

The Eternal purpose of God secures its DESIGN. The Cross secures its LEGAL BASIS but it is the work of the Holy Spirit that ACTUALLY and LITERALLY secures it in regard to the person of the elect.



2 Cor. 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation [Gr καταλλαγη] . 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled [Gr. καταλλασσω] to God.

Christ provided the legal basis for reconciliation by the cross but the actual and literal application is obtained by the Holy Spirit's work.

The eternal Purpose of God obtains NOTHING but PURPOSE that must be executed by God. The certainity of its execution is the doctrine of predestination. The Legal basis for its execution is the redemptive work of Christ but the actual salvation accomplished is the work of the Holy Spirit.

 

>And all of that is meaningless and just semantics unless a person accepts the gift that God provided through Christ, the gift of salvation. It must be received.

Why? I can buy a new car and have your name put on the title. If I drive the car off the lot and leave it at a parking meter you will have to prove the car and the ticket is not yours.

 

Your analogy is faulty. You claim to both purchase the car and put it in his name and yet drive it as well. In real life, the car can be purchased and placed in another name but no one has the right to drive it off the lot but the registered owner as that is part and parcel of RECEIVING it - taking the keys, getting in and driving it.

 

Jesus is the way.
He purchased the ticket for me.
He has already given me the title deed.
In fact I am not only his heir, I am his joint heir. Thus I don't have to prove anything for I am joint heir to the King of kings and the Creator of all things. Why would I have to prove anything to One who is so powerful? The one (devil) who is trying to ticket me has a real problem trying to explain his problem to the King and the King's heir. He doesn't have a chance.
Whosoever is born of God overcomes the world, and this is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith (1John 5:4).

 

If the King accepts the ransom payment paid for the criminal. And the criminal has been told his ransom has been paid; he can now go free. If the criminal spits in his face, rejects the payment that has been paid, and says I can do it on my own, then the criminal stays locked up. There is nothing more that can be done for him.

He must receive the note that says "paid in full." If he doesn't he pays with his life.
If the sinner does not receive the gift of salvation, wherein the message says "sins: paid in full," he will forever remain separated from God. There is no more that can be done for him. But he must accept it. Salvation is a gift. It must be accepted by faith.

 

And since Christ died for all, you must believe all are sovereignly saved by His grace. They have no choice in the matter. The Muslims who flew those jets in the WTC towers are just as saved as you, as are the Syrian protestors and the government, and all in Islamic nations. They have been justified for Christ paid the penalty for them all. Your are a true Universalist.

 

You are confusing OBJECTIVE freedom from sin with SUBJECTIVE freedom from sin.

Objectively they are regarded as objectively free according to God's Purpose but they are not subjectiively free until actual freedom is granted their own person by the Holy Spirit. Objectively they are regarded as free according to Christ's redemption but they are not subjectively free until actual freedom is granted their own person by the Holy Spirit.

Objective Purpose ("I have purposed it") must be subjectively implemented ("I will do it") - Isa. 46:11

Objective Redemption ("while they were yet enemies they were reconciled") must be subjectively implemented ("Now have received reconciliation").

When you confuse the two false doctrine is the consequence and you have confused the two.

What you are teaching is correct OBJECTIVELY but when you regard it as IMPLEMENTED or APPLIED you are wrong.

The OBJECTIVE purpose and redemptive basis has been obtained but the SUBJECTIVE application is not the work of the Father or the Son but the covenant obligation and work of the Holy Spirit. His work is applied IN TIME not IN ETERNITY. His work is applied to THE PERSON not merely to PUPROSE and LEGAL PROVISION.

 

1 Timothy 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

It is not God that is the humanist here. That is a terrible accusation.
For God desires all men to be saved.
He is not willing that any should perish.
It is his will that all should come to repentance.
Christ is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world.

You cannot redefine these words at your own whim and will.
They mean what they say.
According to their meaning that would make you the Universalist.

 

2 Peter 3:9 may have been taken out of context there!

 

Simply false! You have ignored the immediate context of both Romans 4 and 2 Cor. 5. In both contexts there are TWO different kinds of reconciliation mentioned.

1. Objective reconciliation ("were reconciled by his death" "in Christ reconciling the world")

2. Subjective reconciliation ("now received the atonement" "ministry of reconciliation")

God the Father reconciled according to His eternal purpose before the world began OBJECTIVELY but not literally or actually = subjectively.

God the Son reconciled "according to the demanded legal basis" OBJECTIVELY not not literally or actually = subjectively.

God the Holy Spirit APPLIES God's objective purpose and the Son's Objective purchase IN TIME subjectively = literally and actually.

 

Why should I answer you when you NEVER answer my questions?

The words "reconcile" and "enemies" are not synonyms but antonyms.

The fact is that TWO types of reconciliation are found in Rom. 5:10-11 and two types are found in 2 Cor. 5:17-19.

Christ provided the objective provision for the complete salvation of God's elect regarded as a corporate group according to God's purpose. However, individual subjective application is the work of the Holy Spirit.

Until it is applied at a certain point in time personally and indivdually they are personally and individually "enemies", lost, as well as "children of wrath" and in need to be reconciled to God as friends.

When it is applied at a certain point in time at that point they are no longer dead spiritually, lost, no longer children of wrath, no longer enemies of God individually and personally.

Your doctrine is false and your view of scripture is twisted as you confuse apples with oranges.