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Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by boris99, Jul 9, 2002.
What does everyone think of this?
There is a lot of information there that I found interesting. I must say that after poking around their website, they are some messed up bunch of people. After reading their doctrinal statement, they appear to be Campbellites (i.e. Church of Christ). The biggest red-flag was that they require baptism for salvation. There is so much more info there, that I'll have to go back later to continue reading it.
Well, I don't agree with everything on that site... I was only referring to the KJV-Only section.
That page has been around for quite a long time. It's a great page, packed full of great info, and really helped me a few years ago when I was new to the issue. I just wish it was organized a bit better instead of all being on the same page.
First of all I take offence at you brethren constantly attacking the KJV. I'm KJV only but I'm nothing like those you seem to find sport in attacking. You read your versions and let me read mine... What I want to know is are we worshipping the same God and his Son our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ?... Since I'm not reading the book of Mormon what seems to be the problem?... The KJV has been around longer than any of your modern versions and your granddaddies and great granddaddies and before probably enjoyed reading them. There is a reason I stick to my KJV and it is a reason you couldn't possibly understand. I could understand if I was attacking yours but I have not stooped that low. So read your version and be happy with the freedoms you have in this country you can do it... There are some countries where you can't. So if you read the NJKV, NASB, NIV or any others read and enjoy but leave us who enjoy the KJV and are not attacking your versions alone... Brother Glen
Who is attacking?
Who doesn't let you read the KJV?
Who has questioned your salvation?
Are you saying we're stupid?
Thanks for your permission.
Again, who was attacking you?
This is a discussion board. KJVOism is a topic of discussion. Deal with it.
I have not seen anyone "attack" the KJV, unless attacking means criticizing, in which case the NIV, NASB and NKJV have been criticized too for their imperfections.
Can you cite an instance of an "attack" upon the KJV?
[ July 09, 2002, 07:38 PM: Message edited by: Chris Temple ]
I appreciate and respect you deeply. If you will point out where you have been attacked, I'll act. I don't think the posting of the article is of necessity an attack.
Brother Glen (and everyone else),
Please understand, I did not intend to "attack" anyone by posting the above link. I simply wanted to get everyone's opinion. I sincerely apologize if I have offended anyone... I was just hoping we could have an intelligent (and non-heated) discussion. I don't want this to turn into a "flame" thread.
You read your versions and let me read mine...
By all means. In return, please tell your friends to stop calling my Bible a "perversion."
Warm Christian greetings!
I wonder how much money has been spent over the years by well meaning Christians who publish and distribute books promoting their own version and attacking other people's versions. Don't you think that money would be put to better use buying tracts and Gospel booklets to evangelise the unsaved?
The Bible teaches that the blood of unsaved people who die without hearing the Gospel will be on our hands. Rather than getting bogged down in the Bible versions debate I would rather get on with the one job Christ has commissioned us to do.
Incidentally, I use the KJV as my preferred choice but if others wish to use the NIV, NASB, NKJV or ESV that is between them and the Lord. Whatever version you use "get on with the job" of promoting Christ and His Gospel.
Robert J Hutton
Robert J Hutton said:
Don't you think that money would be put to better use buying tracts and Gospel booklets to evangelise the unsaved?
Why can't we buy both?
Warm Christian greetings!
Ransom asked the question - Why can't we buy both? The answer is simple, if I have $50 available for the Lord's work it stands to reason that if I spend $10 on books debating versions I have only $40 for tracts and evangelistic booklets. That means that I can't buy so many, and unsaved people who might otherwise have heard the Gospel are deprived of the message of life.
Robert J Hutton
Warm Christian greetings!
My aplogies, the last post accidentally went in in the name of my son Simon. It should have gone in in my name.
Robert J Hutton
Robert Hutton said:
The answer is simple, if I have $50 available for the Lord's work it stands to reason that if I spend $10 on books debating versions I have only $40 for tracts and evangelistic booklets.
So you have 80% of your money going to outreach, and 20% for your own personal growth. What's wrong with that?
I'm KJV only, and I agree with some of Brother Glen's points.
Yes, people do put us down at times because we are KJVO. I've heard it called "archaic", "old fashioned", "out dated", need I go further? I always try hard to respect other people's opinions when ever I post. Prehaps at times I've gotton upset and maybe said things I shouldn't say, but I'm human like all of ya'll. Unless of course some of ya'll have arived and havn't told us?
Yes, I also understand this forum is for discussing Bible "versions", but we are defending what we hold dear. I will defend the KJV always. I am not ashamed of the gospel, and I won't compromise something I know is true.
However I know that ya'll feel the same about ya'lls versions. I know there isn't much I can say to change your minds about whitch version. We are defending what we believe to be right. Now the simple fact is, I wouldn't be saved if it wasn't for what is written in the KJV. It's the Bible I've heard the gospel from since I was about 4 years old. It's the Bible my grandpa used to lead me to the Lord with about 3 years ago. It's the book that I've used to lead others to Christ. Am I gonna change? No. Am I gonna read another version? no.
Brother Glen, as far as I know, has never been anything less than gentlemanly when he posts. It just seems to me that ya'll are being kinda sarcastic. Maybe I'm reading the post wrong. I don't no. I know there are times when people missinterpret what I say completely, maybe that's what I've done here. If so, I apologize.
It just seems to me that we ought to spend our time serving God, rather than arguing about something that isn't doing any good. I mean, we are all goanna stick to the same opinion anyway, right?
... Apparently you are mistaken those who call your version a perversion are not my friends... Now do you understand where I am coming from?... Brother Glen
Why do we tend to think quantity is better then quality? Why do we think we will save people with tracks rather then with relationships? Tracks can be useful and can lead people to Christ... but in my own personal humble opinion and experience, more has been done for the cause of Christ through our relationships with people and through allowing Christ to shine through our lives.
As far as Bible versions... read what works best for you so long as it doesn't change the word of God (realizing of course that our English translations are not infallible only the originals are.)
Oh... one other thing I meant to say, but didn't. Instead of worrying about quantity... why don't we even better spend that money on the people themselves... helping out a family who has fallen on hard time... buying the ingredients for meals for homeless people and then going to the people and giving them the food... sponsor a child with World Vision or whatever works for you... use it to aid yourself in allowing Christ to shine through you... to aid in reaching out to these people and building relationships.
Let me clear the air here... There are a group that are KJV only which I am a member that love our KJV. I know there are others that attack not criticize other versions and I am not of their brotherhood. I read the KJV only because that is what I love, use, and study. I'm not concerned with any others not even a greek/hebrew breakdown of the KJV that some seem to revel in. Just my KJV and me and the Lord and I'm one happy camper. Don't make the assumption that just because someone is JKV only they think yours are perversion unless they say so. I know many on here that read the KJV along with all the others but that is not my desire... Just so you know!... Brother Glen