Regeneration versus Conversion

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  1. pinoybaptist

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    What is the difference between regeneration and conversion ?

    When does regeneration occur according to Scripture ? How does it happen according to Scriptures ? What are the other words used to mean regeneration ? What agency/means does God use in the regeneration of sinners ?

    What is conversion ? How and where was the word conversion and its forms used in the Scripture ?
    What agency/means does God use in the conversion of people ?
     
  2. Frogman

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    Dear Pinyobaptist,
    Hopefully there will be more discussion on this topic from everyone visiting here but I thought I would post this link to a similar topic thread:

    Conversion/Regeneration

    If anyone is interested in reading a little, or simply scanning over the previous discussion.

    God Bless
    Bro. Dallas
     
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    Hey, I didn't mean to kill this thread, putting it back on the top hoping for discussion.

    Brother Dallas [​IMG]
     
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    Read the account of Saul on the road to Damascus.

    He was regenerated upon hearing the Word.(Jesus)

    He was converted upon hearing the word.(the gospel preached by Ananias)

    I think this is one of the best examples showing both regeneration and conversion occuring at two separate occassions.
     
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    Conversion includes the contrition which precedes and the good works that follow regeneration. Contrition and good works are not included in justification which occurs at the same time as regeneration.
     
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    There is no such thing as being half saved. As Paul says, he was saved when it pleased God to reveal His Son. (Gal. 1:15, 16)
     
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    Who said anything about being half saved?

    Regeneration and conversion are two completely separate events. They are two types of salvation, but regeneration is not dependent on conversion. It is the other way around.

    Paul was not half saved between the two events as eternal salvation is not dependent on conversion.
     
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    John Gilmore said:

    Agreed, no such thing as half a salvation. But is being saved the same as being regenerated and is being saved and regenerated, the same as being converted ? Honest questions.

    What did the Savior mean when he told Peter who is (1) among His elect (2) whose redemption He was about to effect, and (3) who obviously had faith (belief) in the Lord, when He told Peter in Luke 22:32, "But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren."
     
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    Bro. James Reed, pinoybaptist,

    I see your point; I was over-simplying. However, I think the examples of Paul and Peter are quite different. Unlike Peter, there is no indication that Paul fell from grace. Paul was contrite; then regenerated and justified at the same time; and then good works followed. End of story.

    Peter was also regenerated and justified at the same time when he said, "Thou art the Christ." But he fell from grace as Christ knew he would. He was then converted the second time through repentance (contrition and faith). So conversion is not simply contrition, regeneration, and good works which follow. Conversion also includes cycles of repentance.
     
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    End of story.

    Not quite. Every Christian, including Paul, is simultaneously saint and sinner. Paul is saint according to the imputed righteousness of Christ but sinner according to the old Adam that wars within him.

    The Christian life is a life of repentance. Like Paul, we are converted each time the Holy Spirit works faith through the hearing of the gospel and we give up our sins. So Bro. Reed is correct when he says, "He was converted upon hearing the word.(the gospel preached by Ananias)."
     
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    Because of a challenge through private email, I am compiling a list of Biblical references to regeneration.

    FYI, I view regeneration and quickening as the same. I have heard that some people see a distinction between these, that regeneration is a 'taste' of spiritual things (say like at Heb. 6) and provides an ability for the person to either accept or reject Christ. Further for your information, I strongly disagree with this and hold it to be unbiblical by any stretch.

    this view states further that quickening occurs only after a person 'accepts' Christ.

    What do you fellows think, I don't believe there is a difference in regeneration/quickening, do you think I am wrong?

    Bro. Dallas Eaton
     

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