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Discussion in 'All Other Discussions' started by Crabtownboy, Feb 17, 2015.
I believe Christianity is not a religion but a Way of life. It is written on our hearts by the Lord to tell others the Gospel. We should be open to all who will respond to the Gospel. We should be closed to any false doctrine or teacher which is so rampant today, such as the PCUSA sanctioning same sex marriage, regenerational baptism, or such other nonsense. The Bible is the standard.
I would say there is a big difference between [email protected] marriage and modes of baptism.
I will agree with Crabby to an extent - there are some Bible believers who will close their mind. I was just banned from a FB Baptist site - because I dare question the perfection of the KJV.
How many churches/pastors will call a lady a sinner for wearing pants. How many will point fingers at you for attending a G rated movie, How many go to the extreme of second, third, fourth, ect separation.
And yes, I am able to fellowship with many who are not Baptists - as we have the most important thing in common - salvation by Grace thur faith.
CTB quoting the United Church of Christ. How appropriate.
Love them right straight to hell.
Am I to understand that no one in the UCC is saved?
Salty, I find it sad that so many on the BB are so negative and so judgmental. I guess they are without sin as they are quick to cast the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc., etc., etc., stone.
My feeling is you accept truth where you find it. No one is right all the time and very few are wrong all the time. Discernment seem a lacking quality on the BB for many.
That's not the issue. Take a look at what the UCC believes as a denomination. Their minds are so open that anything Biblical falls out.
Some folks like wimpy doctrine, but the reality is people are going to hell. And this "Church" denies it.
Coming from the most hateful guy on the BB.
That is not a Christian message, and if you truly loved people, you would not lie to them.
The Bible, God's word, is never wrong.
I discern that if you believe what the UCC preaches, then you are not saved, and have no business on a Christian message board.
The U.C.C's "gospel" is inclusivism, where nobody has to worry.
Seven years ago, Bishop Carlton D. Pearson was a fourth-generation evangelical preacher and one of Oral Roberts' anointed; he had graduated from Oral Roberts University and served on its board of regents. He prayed with U.S. presidents, preached to 5,000 people in his home church in Tulsa, Okla., and to thousands more on television.
And then, in an interview, Pearson said that he did not believe God would consign countless souls -- or anyone, for that matter -- to hell.
In that instant, he broke ranks with those Christians who believe that unrepentant sinners will go to hell. That doctrine, called universal salvation, is an old one, but it's still not popular in some circles.
Pearson was denounced by the Joint College of African-American Pentecostal Bishops and by the Rev. Ted Haggard, who was then president of the National Association of Evangelicals. Pearson's worldwide television audience disappeared. Only a few hundred stayed in his local congregation, and he lost the building itself in foreclosure.
Today, Pearson, 54, is still a bishop. ("Once a bishop, always a bishop," he says.) He's joined the United Church of Christ, and his steadfast disciples -- maybe 1,200 of them -- meet in an Episcopal church in Tulsa.
He talked about his new book, "The Gospel of Inclusion: Reaching Beyond Religious Fundamentalism to the True Love of God," and some of his own temptations.
Q: Describe your gospel of inclusion.
A: Well, it's really basic universalism, but I couldn't have called it that. I needed another name. I am an evangelical Pentecostal fundamentalist and we'd always believed universalism was wrong. But the gospel of inclusion says that the whole world is already saved -- they just don't know that. If salvation is a reality and people have been saved, the question becomes, have they been saved from God? Or for each other?
Q: If salvation is inclusive, why do people need to reform their lives at all?
A: To create a heavenly consciousness or reality or experience here.
Being good or kind or receptive or tolerant gives rise to some happier experience on Earth. To use reward and punishment is elementary; it will not work. If we stop this idea of a hostile God who is difficult to please or appease, when we get past that, the presence or reality of peace on Earth becomes possible.
Q: You still see yourself as an evangelical Pentecostal fundamentalist?
A: Well, I am reformed. I am a fourth-generation classical Pentecostal preacher. That's all we've ever known. I don't believe that Jesus came to start a new religion but only to reform his own. He was a Jew. ... He remained fundamentally a Jew, but he extended the love factor. He moved from the literal to the logical. The Bible says that the letter kills, but the spirit gives light.
Q: What impact has this turmoil had on you and your ministry?
A: It is humbling and sobering. You give more attention to details.
Before, I did a lot of generic, sweeping ministry and delegated all the responsibilities to my staff. I was like the drawing card, sort of a celebrated guest.
Q: Was ego an issue?
A: Sure. There is a huge amount of ego in a lot of cultures. Anyone who expects everyone to look at him, listen to him for an hour every week. ... They were here for me. I was young and cocky and arrogant then, I am sure.
Q: And now?
A: I'm reaping what I sowed. Now I am on the board of Planned Parenthood -- I was a strong pro-life advocate and now I am pro-choice.
Now they're saying I've gone a step beyond heresy. Now I am a reprobate, and I will be turned over to Satan. I am the anti-Christ, a wolf dressed in sheep's clothing.
But some of these jerks, clowns and clones are my family. I have a 92-year-old aunt who is the matriarch of my family and she called me: "I didn't see that TV program, but people have called me and told me that you don't believe in hell. But I have a lot of Bible verses for you, and hell is in every one of them. So you stop by now."
Q: Will you stop by?
A: Well ... people used to be courteous and accommodating when my family came to church. "You're Bishop's mother, Bishop's sister, you sit up front now." But now, my family is embarrassed and sometimes defensive. They love me, but they don't all agree with me.
Q: Are you still tempted by ego?
A: Of course. I will be subject to that temptation until they put me in the grave. The ego in all of us gives us the drive to exist, but we need to keep it in check.
I have a new understanding about what it is to be human. The church teaches self-loathing, teaches you to dislike yourself, but also to love others as you love yourself.
Q: It can seem like a mixed message.
A: The Bible sends a lot of mixed messages. I don't think of it anymore as the inspired word of God, but the inspired word of men about God -- and some of it has expired.
It is NOT a New Testament church. It seems more like a club where people gather to hide from real Christians.
Shame on you for this, C.T.boy. To turn this message on us ?
Why are you here?
The truth is the truth no matter where you find it.
That is correct. However no one fully understands all of the Bible message. No one has the correct interpretation on all issues. That does not mean the Bible is wrong, just our understanding.
Frankly, I do not know what the UCC preaches. I do know that following Christ should open our hearts to all, but should not close our minds to our current understanding. We must be willing to accept new understandings as we discover them. The disciples certainly did not understand all, and they were physically with them. Christ had to correct them .... just as he needs to correct us at times.
You should educate yourself on it before you go praising their message.
Look at the interview. Educate yourself. Stop blaming everyone else for your lousy posts.
So I disagree with him. That does not negate the truth that in Christ our hearts should open to others and that Christ does not close our minds. Right?
You stance is like saying you would not believe a nonn-Christian if they said, "Watch out, that wire is live. Don't touch it." Not a wise stance.
Or are you saying that the statement is incorrect and that in Christ you should close your heart and close your mind?
Nope. I'm not going to let you make the gift of salvation through Christ the hateful one, and the lie of inclusivism the loving one.
I also find it highly dubious that you don't know their doctrine. You sound like their mouthpiece.
Go away with this crap.
Than you agree with the statement. Right?
Your problem, not mine. I know almost nothing about the UCC. Probably will stay that way.
Who is being nasty now?
You don't see a problem with this position, CTB? Why would you espouse and proclaim a message from a group you know "almost nothing" about? You're on shaky ground from the start, bud.
Tony, agreeing with one sentence or saying does not mean a person agrees with everything a group says they believe.
Are you saying that if I posted an illustrated scripture verse, from the UCC or anyone else you might not like, that makes the verse inaccurate. I don't think you mean that.
Let's take an ancient saying, "Let not the opportunity pass, for it may not return."
Are you saying that, because this was not said by a Christian, that it is false?
As I said above, I do not agree with the man in the interview. That has nothing to do with the validity of the statement of an open heart and an open mind.
By the way, who has been nasty in this thread in replies to me? You failed to answer my question.
Ignorance is bliss. Love 'em right into hell, C.T.Boy.