Religious Right Author says Romney Unfit for Office

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  1. Zaac

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    Warren Cole Smith is associate publisher of World, the Religious Right magazine run by Marvin Olasky, who was the man responsible for George W. Bush's "compassionate conservative" ideology.

    Smith, whose columns are run by the American Family Association and he even shows up as a guest on their radio programs, has penned a remarkably frank piece on why it is theologically dangerous for Christians to even consider voting for Mitt Romney who, simply by virtue of being a Mormon, is unfit to serve as president:

    Well said Warren Cole Smith.:applause: It's a shame that more Christians don't feel that the spiritual health of the nation and world are more important than the economic health.
     
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    It will good job training for Romney - for when he dies and becomes the god of his own planet.
     
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    Sadly enough I'm not under the impression that many in Christians who are supporting this man even care that they may be fueling the growth of Mormonism and sending someone to hell.

    I wonder how much "collateral damage souls" are acceptable in order for Christians to get Barack Obama out of office?
     
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    Interesting. On the same page the link takes you to are quotes from three other people who state they'll vote for a non-Christian who espouses biblical principles rather than a professing Christian who doesn't.
     
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    I'm aware of that. At issue, I suppose is whether promoting Biblical principles is a larger issue than promoting Romney's false god and his false religion and pointing even one soul to hell?
     
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    Not a very well thought out article, IMHO.

    #1. The election of a "religious" president no more validates a religion than electing in "irreligious" president.

    #2. The title of the office is "Commander in Chief", not "Theologian in Chief".

    #3. If we had applied this so-called standard to all previous elections, those elections would present the same "problem".

    That's just for starters.
     
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    So, I guess you're saying that Mitt Romney is more powerful than the Holy Spirit. I always though the Good Lord was able to redeem His elect regardless of who was President. Hmmm... I might as well retire if the only folks that are going to be saved live in countries with born again leaders.
     
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    You're incorrectly guessing to reach the conclusion you want which to no surprise I'm sure you'll make right after this first statement.:laugh:

    And there you go. Again I never said He couldn't. But if you're gonna go with that, then nobody should care a lick about what Obama does or if he gets re-elected.


    And yet another false conclusion based upon something YOU said and nothing I nor the article said.
     
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    I still don't get the connect between voting for Romney/Ryan to govern the nation and my vote "promoting Romney's false god and false religion".

    Even after all of these ad nausem threads.

    And by-the-by, Zaac. You seem to like this article. Yet it says the exact opposite of what you have been saying for weeks on end. YOU have been saying that lost people will go to hell if Christians vote for Romney.

    The article says otherwise.

     
  10. Zaac

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    And that's called naivete or just willful ignorance. Deny it all you want. More folks are gonna check out Mormonism because of Mitt Romney being a Presidential nominee.

    Then I guess y'all gonna have to stop dismissing candidates based upon their errant theology and their economic policy. I mean the title of the office is "Commander in Chief". Let's base everything on his ability to lead the military.

    And if Christians had taken a stand THEN and kept Christ first, perhaps we wouldn't be in a situation now where folks are settling AGAIN and going back on decades of anti-Mormon, they are a false religion, they are a cult preaching and now pushing as them as OK because they desperately want to win an election.

    That's just for starters.
     
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    You don't have to get it even after all these ad nauseum threads. What you don't get is the same thing that folks who try to justify homosexuality as OK don't get.

    Folks tend to ignore the truth when the truth doesn't get them what they think they've got to have.

    Nope. I've said that evangelicals supporting a false god-worshiper out of one side of their necks and proclaiming that folks need Jesus out the other side of their necks has the potential to help a lot of folks stumble into an eternal lake of fire.
     
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    That would be Zaac's false premise #6: That by supporting Romney we have joined the crowd of false god worshipers.

    That would be Zaac's false premise #4: That Christians who support Romney are not passionate about witnessing and that others are going to Hell because of it.
     
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    Yipppeee [​IMG]The false premise troll is back. You must have been on vacation.
     
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    Zaac makes several assertions in his monomaniacal attacks against Christians that will be voting for Mitt Romney. These are false premises. His arguments proceed out of false premises (some might call them delusions.)

    Let's take a look at these false premises on which Zaac builds his flimsy arguments.

    1. That Christians believe Romney will 'save' the country. That Romney will 'heal' the land and that Christians are trusting Romney to do this rather than trusting God. We are being disobedient to God.

    "But you apparently see it as being healed at the ballot box. Christ says that HE will heal our land if we do certain things."
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1889121&postcount=71

    "all I see is a bunch of Christians who are attempting to do what they think is right in their own eyes in order to heal the land, when God says that HE will heal the land."
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1889183&postcount=80

    "And you say best choice as though Obedience to God is a lesser choice than you thinking you're gonna elect someone who can "save" the country"
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1889208&postcount=83

    "If anyone seems to be on a self-righteous kick it's you and all those who think your votes for an anti-Christ is gonna save the country"
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1889216&postcount=86

    I know of no person on BB that has asserted that Romney will save the country or heal the land. I've heard people say that he will lower taxes, improve the business climate, stand up to Iran, make abortions more difficult to obtain, and stand for marriage as being between one man and one woman. Save the country? False premise by Zaac.



    2. That voting for Romney is evidence that Christians are thinking they are displaying love for God by doing so.

    "So support an anti-Christ candidate and then pretend that it's a display of love for God."
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1889208&postcount=83

    The reverse premise is that by voting for Romney, Christians are not following the overarching command to love the Lord God with all your heart, all your mind.


    3. That voting for Romney will be a bad witness for Christ. If unbelievers hear that a Christian has voted for Romney it will nullify and ruin their testimony. The unbeliever will immediately wonder--'how can a person that says they believe in Jesus vote for a person that worships a false god?' Furthermore, only those that DON'T vote for Romney or Obama (eg. Zaac) are good witnesses.

    "The one [..] who votes for someone other than the two anti-Christ candidates will still be left with a witness for Christ that can withstand the barbs that will come from atheists and agnostics and those who worship false gods."
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1889208&postcount=84

    I cannot think of any real world example of this ever happening. Furthermore, it is pure speculation on Zaac's part.



    4. That Christians who support Romney are not passionate about witnessing and that others are going to Hell because of it.

    "Now if we could just get Christians as passionate about making excuses to share the Gospel as folks on here are about making excuses for why they will endorse a man who worships a false god, some folks might get saved."
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1889287&postcount=117

    "Folks are more passionate about winning an election than they are about Christ."
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1888862&postcount=49

    "When you look at the countless millions and possibly billions that may stumble into an eternal lake of fire because evangelicals are setting a man who worships a false god up to be the leader of the free world, it gets me wondering which party is REALLY more evil than the other?"
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1888955&postcount=57

    A Christians zeal in witnessing for Christ and voting for a candidate are not tied together no matter how many time Zaac makes this false premise.


    5. That Christians believe that God is on Romney's side.

    "I'm stumped how some Christians think God will be against the Democrat who is for abortion but for the Republican who is for the worship of a false god. "
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1888471&postcount=21

    I know of no Christian that thinks God is on Romney's side.


    6. That by supporting Romney we have joined the crowd of false god worshipers.

    "I can't think of any time in history that evangelicals would have collectively been okay with folks associating them with the pro-abortion crowd. But we don't seem to have a problem having an association with a worship a false god crowd."
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1888541&postcount=39


    This false premise is so ridiculous on its face, it doesn't need rebuttal.


    7. That by supporting Romney we will be advocating Mormonism.

    "And to say that having a Mormon as the leader of the free world will bring about no religious consequences is akin to saying that having an atheist as the leader of the free world will bring about no religious consequences."
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1889241&postcount=98

    "I can't for the life of me figure out why any Christian would want to be associated with a party that's the face of it's okay to worship a false god."
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1888869&postcount=19

    "We're making so little of this man worshiping a false god that we should get ready to see an onslaught ,very vocal attack on Jesus Christ as GOD"
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1888144&postcount=22

    This is a twist on the false premise that Christians won't witness as effectively if they vote for Romney. Not only will our witness suffer but prosyletizing for Mormonism will increase!


    8. That by supporting Romney we are wicked people.

    "Christians supporting someone who does not worship Christ to be the head of the nation is about as wicked as wicked gets."
    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1888858&postcount=47

    Does this statement really need refutation?



    9. That it's more important to evangelicals to win an election than it is to see people saved.

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1891502&postcount=35


    10. Voting for Romney (or just plain voting) is idolatry.

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1891502&postcount=35


    11. Christians say that the President's faith does not influence policy.

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=1891770&postcount=1
     
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    Thanks for all the work in that. :thumbsup:
     
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    He is like a record with skip in it playing an endless loop of the same things. Copy and paste his posts over a period of a couple of days into a document is all it took.
     
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    #1. I wonder how many people became Baptists because H.S Truman was one? At any rate, I guarantee you the number influenced will be very small.

    #2. That's (ability to lead the military) a good criteria to judge a C-I-C by. It is part of his job responsibility. Being a theologian is not.

    #3. I have yet to see anyone on this board say Mormonism is ok. Have you?

    Just one last thing, Zaac, and I say this as a brother in Christ who has made his share of foolish and unkind statements on this board and elsewhere. One mark of a true Christian is the ability to love the brethren in spite of our differences, whether they be cultural, theological or political. Sad to say your posts do not reflect that, at least to me.
     
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    Inthelight is a false premise [​IMG] extraordinaire.
     
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    So how about you give us a list of the ones you want to choose from your family to go to hell?To influence one into this falsehood is too many.

    But as I said, we seem to have convinced ourselves that the collateral damage of a few souls is okay as long as we win an election.

    I didn't say it wasn't a good criteria. But if he ain't theologian in chief, then folks need to stop using unBiblical theology stances as reason to not support the in the words of another poster "baby murderer".

    And I didn't say that anyone said it was okay. Perception is the truth with a lot of people. And if it's perceived that Christians are endorsing a false god worshiper, there is a likelihood that it will also be perceived that they are endorsing his faith.

    And I will say this, you have no basis upon which to base that statement. All you've seen me do is disagree with the political position of the majority on this board. And that has nothing to do with my love for anyone.
     
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