Remember Elian?? How sad!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by EdSutton, Jun 16, 2008.

  1. EdSutton

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    How sad. :tear:

    Elian Gonzalez has now joined up with the pro-Castro Young Communists, according to this article.

    One last "propaganda coup" for Fidel.

    Congratulations to the government and the courts of the USA.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25189977

    Ed
     
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    The way Reno had him treated I wouldn't blame him for hating the US.

    Ripped from his family by armed men.
     
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    Nothing to be sad about here. A boy was returned to his homeland which happens to be Communist.
     
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    He most likely got a good brain-washing when he got to Cuba. Still, I think it was the right thing to do. His father had a right to take him back home.
     
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    What should they have done kept him from his father simply because he is a communist? I think not.
     
  6. Jerome

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    What should they have done respected his mother's dying effort to secure his freedom? I think not.
     
  7. donnA

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    The goverment can not chose to seperate familes because they do not agree with their politics. The mother was dead, she no longer had a say.
     
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    He should have gone back to his Father. Guns a blazing was excessive and unnecessary.
     
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    One of Reno's finer moments. What a dud of an attorney general she was.
     
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    Whose voice counts for more, the parent who died or the one that is still alive?

    Apply this to a parental kidnapping in the united states. Should the child not be returned to the living parent if the one who took off with him happens to die? It's one thing to support one side in a custody battle between parents but there was only one parent left in this case.

    The child was returned to his father, as he should have been. The family are the ones that dragged out the inevetable. The child is/was a citizen of another country and his father wanted him sent home.
     
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    Let the record show that I agree wholeheartedly with Revmitchell on something.
     
  12. Baptist Believer

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    No guns "blazing" at all. Not a shot was fired.
     
  13. Jerome

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    The woman died, and her selfish aspirations for her child should too.
    Read your Bible. Those Hebrew midwives and wise men were wrong wrong wrong to fail to cooperate with Pharaoh and Herod.
    What's next? Praise for the Underground Railroad and anarchist Corrie ten Boom?
     
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    Ah sarcasm...

    His father has rights too. We also have agreements with the Cuban government. Should we not keep our word?

    During the Elian "crisis", I was working with a Cuban exile who had absolutely no love for Castro or what had happened to his homeland. However, he told me that he thought the boy should be with his father. I asked him if he thought that was a common view among exiles and he said he didn't know. In Miami, there is a near anti-Castro hysteria (given the proximity to Cuba) and that it would be difficult for someone like him to express his opinion in that kind of atmosphere without a massive amount of hostility coming his way from the activist Cubans.

    Elian was not facing death, so your hyperbole is unwarranted.
     
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    Propoganda is all it is. My Grandmother joined the 'Hitler Youth' because she and her family had to survive. Her father was vocal in opposition to his regime, but inorder to provide, advised her to join because he knew a man powerful enough to make sure she was in a 'safe' position (not in an aryan breeding club). It doesn't mean he hates America or loves Castro Oil.

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    I rest my case.
     
  17. Baptist Believer

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    You haven't proven a thing.

    So you claim he is shooting? (In case you don't know, "guns blazing" refers to the flash of gunfire.)

    A carried gun does not "blaze" unless it is fired.


    blaz·ing.–noun1.a bright flame or fire: the welcome blaze of the hearth.2.a bright, hot gleam or glow: the blaze of day.3.a sparkling brightness: a blaze of jewels.4.a sudden, intense outburst, as of fire, passion, or fury: to unleash a blaze of pent-up emotions; a blaze of glory.5.blazes, Informal. hell: Go to blazes!–verb (used without object)6.to burn brightly (sometimes fol. by away, up, forth): The bonfire blazed away for hours. The dry wood blazed up at the touch of a match.7.to shine like flame (sometimes fol. by forth): Their faces blazed with enthusiasm.8.to burn with intense feeling or passion (sometimes fol. by up): He blazed up at the insult.9.to shoot steadily or continuously (usually fol. by away): The contestants blazed away at the clay pigeons.10.to be brilliantly conspicuous.
     
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    You can call it what you want regardless it was excessive, unnecessary, heavy handed, and quite frankly the motive behind it is quite questionable. But between this event and the raid on the Texas compound congressional libs have no room to speak on their questionable motves behind criticsm of the Bush admin domestically.
     
  19. donnA

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    A citizen of another country comes to our country, being a minor we can not ask what he wants to do, his only living parent and guardian is in his home country, and some think we should hold this citizen of another country in our country and tell them they can not go home?
     
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    Not sure if it is "anti-Castro hysteria" as you say. Perhaps it is simply an understanding of what it is like to actually live in a communist system under a dictator like Castro.

    To me, it's hard to imagine that if a father really loved his child, he would want him to grow up communist rather than in freedom.

    In the early 1960's, many Cuban parents loved their children enough to send them to the US, knowing that they may never see them again. This operation, known as Pedro Pan (Peter Pan), brought over 14,000 Cuban kids here to the states - some living with relatives, others with friends and others in orphanages. To me, that would be one of the hardest things to do -- but that would be real love. BTW, Jeff Bezos (of Amazon.com) and Senator Mel Martinez are both Pedro Pan kids.
     

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