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Removing Our Theological Terms?

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by TCGreek, Aug 9, 2007.

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  1. TCGreek

    TCGreek New Member

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    1. BTW, another pastor and I meet every week to read Greek together and right now we are reading Ephesians. We're in Chapter 4.

    2. Yes, we need to keep the technical terms and then explain them like we often do.

    How many verses a day do you translate?
     
    #21 TCGreek, Aug 9, 2007
  2. John of Japan

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    It's amazing how easy Ch. 5 is compared to especially Ch. 2!
    In the morning I do about 25 verses of a literal, first draft translation. I later do a correction of these verses before going to revision. In the afternoon Uncle Miya and I revise 20-50 verses for the second draft.
     
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  3. TCGreek

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    1. Today, I found Ch.4:22 to be quite interesting to translate. A string of accusatives.

    2. That's a lot of work. Have you guys done Acts as yet? It was the most difficult I had to read, esp. Ch.27.
     
    #23 TCGreek, Aug 9, 2007
  4. franklinmonroe

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    Really? A lingo that is so technical only Bible 'geeks' get it? This is what we want? (more importantly, is that what God wants?)
     
    #24 franklinmonroe, Aug 9, 2007
  5. tinytim

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    How about Immerse or dunk for Baptize...
    Or dip,
    Or put under...
    or submerge
    or plunge
    Or for the really bad sinners.. . Drown!:laugh:
     
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  6. TCGreek

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    1. When someone uses an example from another field, it does not inevitably follow that they wish for what is being illustrated to correspond 100%. This is a fallacy that a lot of people commit.

    2. Follow my arguments for the continuity with the past and consider that the very terminologies that we have used as English constructs are actually an attempt at what is already evidence in the biblical text.

    3. When the Hebrews used Mashiach in the technical sense and the Greeks Messiah, they were referring to the "anointed one.,"
     
    #26 TCGreek, Aug 9, 2007
  7. TCGreek

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    1. Some transliteration I can go with, but others I cannot.

    2. Baptism is one such transliteration that I am not down with.
     
    #27 TCGreek, Aug 9, 2007
  8. John of Japan

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    Hmm. Maybe I should transliterate "dunk" into Japanese, thus: danku suru! :laugh: :thumbs:
     
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  9. John of Japan

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    I find narratives, including Acts, to be easier than epistles, especially Paul's writings (but of course not John's!). Acts is hard, though, because of the new vocabulary. I've translated the first draft of Acts, but we haven't revised it yet. After we finish Revelation, I'm thinking of going to Acts next. :type:
     
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  10. John of Japan

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    God wants His word translated accurately, that's what He wants.

    Come on, now, a lack of understanding of some of the Bible on the part of the non-Christian guy in the street is absolutely unavoidable. That's why we have to study the Bible, not just read it. Do you think the average guy in the street understands Caananite, Babylonian Empire, Saducee or Pentecost? Or can we dumb down those words, too?
     
    #30 John of Japan, Aug 9, 2007
  11. TCGreek

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    1. I don't know, but I find myself to be more comfortable with Paul than others, except in 2 Corinthians.

    2. John's writings are quite easy to read, even though there are some tough spots in the Gospel.

    3. Some parts of Acts I can flow with, but not most of it.

    4. Believe it or not, but Jude has actually been quite challenging for me. I don't know why?
     
    #31 TCGreek, Aug 9, 2007
  12. John of Japan

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    Yeah, me too. His style and vocabulary are so different from anyone else. Maybe he grew up in southern Israel! :laugh:
     
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  13. TCGreek

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    There you go, An idea for a doctorate, proving that Jude grew up in Southern Israel.:laugh:
     
    #33 TCGreek, Aug 9, 2007
  14. John of Japan

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    He migrated to Galilee after growing up! [​IMG]
     
    #34 John of Japan, Aug 9, 2007
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    Now, I can't beat that. :BangHead:
     
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    I've got three pages done. I'm sending it out to the Boscoe Bible School in the morning, and should have my Ph. D. diploma in the mail in about a week--that is, if my check clears.... [​IMG]
     
    #36 John of Japan, Aug 9, 2007
  17. TCGreek

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    Then I'll send in a photocopied, hardback and make sure to change the name. You think we can pull it off?
     
    #37 TCGreek, Aug 9, 2007
  18. David Lamb

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    I have a confession - when I first joined the BB, I misread TCGreek as "TCGeek" and continued to do so for several days. As Benny and the other inferior cats would say, "Duh....sorry, TC!" :)
     
    #38 David Lamb, Aug 10, 2007
  19. John of Japan

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    Piece 'a cake, as long as you send in the moolah. [​IMG] Boscoe is picky about that.
     
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    I would have thought they prefered a PC over the Macintosh.
    and I've never heard anyone call Bill Gates called the 'anointed one'.


    We in the medical field "dumb down" language all the time.
    Some technical terms have taken hold in the general population but others are best explained in simplier words.

    If the desire is for a person to know something and incorporate it into their lifestyle, they need to properly understand it.
    If it's important, the ideas need to be understood; the quicker, the better!

    Just as when we read the bible, technical terms are often overlooked or ignored by a person when a physician says them.
    They shake their heads dumbly as if they understand but they really don't.
    Further education helps but there are those that are just to thick headed to ever understand.

    If words like justification, sanctification, redemption, etc. are so important, then there should be a way to communicate them in a simple straight-forward way that the people of our day understand.
    Not understnding these terms early in a Christians life opens the door for errant doctrines and heresy.

    Rob
     
    #40 Deacon, Aug 10, 2007
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