Featured Repealing Obamacare

I don't have all the answers about how to set standards for accountability which would regulate their entitlements through responsibility and begin to put limitations on out of control healthcare costs, but I am saying that is a fact that problem needs to be dealt with. I've made some suggestions above of what would be more fair and given reason for the need to set limits and control "it" (the presumption that one is entitled to to top of the line medical coverage without limits or accountability and responsibilities.)

Naturally I would use examples of the out of control obesity epidemic plaguing our country being it is the hands-down unequaled reason for the high volume and rising cost of healthcare and the fact that this condition is directly proportionate to irresponsible lifestyle choices. I believe there should be some accountability that factors into that a line needs to be drawn somewhere when it comes to one's expectations of entitlement and being in relation to the disregard of responsibility when it comes to providing national healthcare would be the place to start to get costs under control.

I am also very well aware of the taboos in this country against anyone speaking up about the need to address the obesity problem and that the first line of defense for the obese is typically a hyper-sensitive offensive attack towards anyone who dare bring it up. This includes consideration of the pathologies related to the many comorbidities that are directly proportional to the obesity epidemic in one way or another. But that is not point here and I have no intention of trying to address the offense you'd like to go into on this subject with you on a personal basis. I've learned to save my energy for reasonable people who would like my help...

My point is that high costs of healthcare coverage needs to focus on the roots of the reasons for poor health along with the personal responsibility rather than the assumption of unlimited entitlement to whatever is available without any accountability or the high costs will never be able to be brought under control.

 

Sure. My wife put on some extra weight and couldn't figure out why. I do all the cooking in our home and I know what she eats and how much she eats, so I figured it wasn't her diet unless she was somehow sneaking an enormous number of calories. I starting finding a lot of her hair around the house and especially in the bathtub drain and I suggested she get her thyroid checked. It was off and she was put on medication to correct it. The weight came off of her without any real effort and she's back to normal.

It happens.

And the Cushing's Disease example is a personal one. I am still recovering from Cushing's Disease. At one time, I weighed well over 400 pounds. The weight is coming off, but it takes a long time.

Don't presume about other's circumstances just because not everyone here has been gentle with you. There are people who have a different perspective who may be in a very similar situation. You know your own situation. Let false criticism go.

 

You still haven't addressed any of my points which I named more than once for you. What you've offered is known as an "Argument from Pity" and although my heart goes out to those in despair and need your argument doesn't address the problems and the solutions I am talking about...

 

Yes, that's reasonable. I agree.

The problem is how to do that. It seems to me it has to come through the recommendations of doctors who actually interact with patients instead of simply a guideline.

Yes, the obesity issue needs to be dealt with.

Nice personal attack in the middle of a discussion. Seriously? You want to dredge up stuff from more than two years ago?

Well obviously. I was hoping for some insight into the issue. I guess I'm looking in the wrong place.

 

No I don't ...is why I nipped where you were wanting to take this in the bud from the get-go when I saw it coming...and then made the point I was addressing.

Sorry, if my honesty about how I choose to use my energy offends you, especially in light of I really do enjoy helping people...but it is what it is and like I said I've learn when to back away...

 

Strawman.

 

Oh, please

You know nothing about anyone here , nor what they have experienced in their lives.

 

Actually, you didn't really provide any insight - which it what I was looking for.

You also reminded me that you were the one who was trying to give me unsolicited advice a couple of years ago that would have literally ended my life if I had followed it.

It wasn't honesty, it was a personal attack.

The sad part is that I think you believe it. Personal attacks don't help people.

 

It is SO predictable that you wanted to make this (any dare of one discussing obesity in your presence) personal. I guess all I can here is, good luck with that. Told you I'm not interested...

 

As we grow older our metabolism changes - slows down.

We need less calories, less carbohydrate, less processed foods, less animal protein.
More fiber, fresh veggies, fresh fruit.

Since my 40's, 50's (I'm now in my 70's) I have had a major battle controlling my weight.

High Blood Pressure : Many years ago I asked a doctor about a weight losing regimen (because obesity and over weight cause/contribute to hypertension according to the medical profession, at least on paper)- these were his words - "lets get your blood pressure under control before we think of doing that".

HUH!?

Every time I mention weight control I get a token positive answer but less than a half dozen words with no answers to take out the door. Since ObamaCare I have had 6 doctor changes (against my will). Same O.

So I have done my own research.

If the billions/trillions of dollars sunk into heart disease and cancer medications (just those two) were devoted to research and the development of a balanced mineral-vitamin diet and the natural enrichment of the soil which produces our food... Oh, WAIT - PHARMA would go bankrupt! Weeping, wailing, etc...


HankD

 

Yes. That food tends to be more expensive and a bit harder to get at a high level of freshness. That's one of the reasons persons in lower incomes are more susceptible to gaining weight. Everything else being equal, the garbage (sweeteners, excessive salt, etc.) that you get in processed foods undermines one's health.

Once I got major health issues worked out, I found that the easiest way to maintain a good blood pressure, even though I was still excessively overweight, was through a regular sleep schedule 11pm-6am and light to moderate exercise every day. Nothing fancy, but just move for an hour or so on an exercise bike, walk around the neighborhood, go to a park or shopping mall, etc.

It also helps the weight issues, but you have to watch what you eat after exercising.

 

Thanks BB.

Yes, I am retired but sometimes I take an Information Technology contract for a few months and noticed that when I am under stress and consequently not sleeping well my BP rockets up.

HankD

 

When I was young, I thought sleep was a waste of time. Now that I am past the half-century mark, I realize that sleep is a blessing from God.

 

Amen to that brother.

Ecclesiastes 5:12 The sleep of a labouring man is sweet, whether he eat little or much: but the abundance of the rich will not suffer him to sleep.

HankD

 

Sadly, that's what upcoming doctors are taught at medical school as their primary objective is to give medicine. There is very little focus on the whole person and natural health. The pharmaceutical companies have representatives waiting at the door of medical schools to make sure their medications are part of the curriculum. Its like the doctors have had blinders put on them and they've left their common sense at the door of that medical school. ...and then there is the side effects from all those drugs...but don't worry they a another pill to help with that... for a cost...but then society probably shares in the blame because what they want is a "quick and easy fix" and just want a pill for everything which has to do with supply and demand...