Reporter charged with espionage

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  1. El_Guero

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    Paul Salopek . . . was charged . . . with espionage, passing information illegally and writing "false news.

    Might be nice if we could get reporters hear to report the truth - but just because you disagree doesn't mean that he was lying . . .

    Muslims are really nice guys some one said . . .

    I think they forgot to add - if you are on their side and kill, lie, and cheat for them.

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/africa/08/26/reporter.sudan.ap/index.html
     
  2. Daisy

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    Uh-oh. Sudan has a very, very bad reputation for justice. (How did it get this reputation - from journalists).

    A lot of governments would like to do that.
     
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    Just think, if the neocons had their way, Bush could arrest journalists for writing the "wrong news."
     
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    They got their reputation by killing innocent civilians, killing American soldiers and dragging them through the streets, for not stopping osama bin laden, for murdering Christians . . .

    Your right - a bunch of liberal journalists with an ax to grind gave this democratic country a bad reputation.

    WOW!

     
  5. Daisy

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    And how did you hear of it?

    Wow, indeed, if you really think that is was my point and not the point of those bent on suppressing the press.
     
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    you might want to read what you wrote.
     
  7. Daisy

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    I always do, but then, I know what I mean beforehand.
     
  8. Not_hard_to_find

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    Originally Posted by El_Guero
    you might want to read what you wrote.

    Sorry, Daisy -- I don't think you got it this time around. It's sort of a double entendre, without the being risque, of course. Try reading it again.
     
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    The guy was on assignment for National Geographic, but journalists need to stay away from these muslim countries. The trumped up charges are usually the same - spying. muslim regimes are a paranoid lot. What is there to spy on? Everyone knows they have been committing genocide for decades.
     
  10. Daisy

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    You'll have to explain because I don't know what you're getting at.
     
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    Daisy

    You blamed the reputation of the muslim countries upon the reporters' reporting the news and not upon the news itself.

    I found that to be ironic, because, historically, reporters have been on the more liberal end of the news spectrum . . . and now the poor guys and girls are in the middle of really nasty political political suppression of any news.

    So, I find it ironic that you blame the journalists (they may be wrong) and not the perpetrators that originally committed the news.
     
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    Wait a moment - I didn't say anything about the muslim countries' reputations - I was speaking specifically about Sudan.

    Bingo.

    But what was the double entendre Not_hard_to_find spoke of?
     
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    I would guess the ironic double meaning . . . you spoke of how we could only know of sudan's guilt from the reporters, but you wrote as if the blame for sudan's guilt belonged to the reporters . . .

    That's my guess.
     
  14. Daisy

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    Only? You're adding your own embellishments to what I said.

    You took it that way, I explained, you persist.

    What fun.
     
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    Daisy

    I really do not recall your correcting that . . .

    But, now that you have . . . what did you call it? 'Fun'? Sure.

    As for embellishments . . . how do you get your intel? I get mine from the news. I do not have access to humint (human assets used to derive intelligence) . . . and I definitely would not divulge any access to any other 'ints'.

    I get just about everything that I know about foreign politics from the news . . .
     
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    I explained what I meant, hoping to correct your misunderstanding, but that, apparently, is uncorrectable.

    What I called 'fun', sarcastically, was your persistant, deliberate misunderstanding.

    Your embellishment was saying that the "only" belonged to me when it was your own addition. There are books, blogs, message boards, documentaries, travel magazines, advisaries from the State Department, interviews on BookTV, musicians who talk about life back home...

    So are you claiming that if the reporters didn't report the atrocities, if it were not in the news, Sudan's reputation would not be atrocious? If nothing is known, then there is no reputation of any kind, good or bad.
     
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    Daisy,

    What were you trying to communicate? 'Cause I still do not have any idea what you meant. I know what you wrote. But, you keep going around in circles . . . you seem to believe that (1) Sudanese muslims do not commit atrocities, (2) the reason the muslims have a bad reputation is because of news reporters, (3) and if the sudanese muslims were bad - I would know that without reporters.

    Honestly? I really do not think that is what you were trying to communicate.

    So, could you spell it out for us?

    Wayne

     
  18. Daisy

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    Dread for the reporter's fate and annoyance that you kept misattributing to me sentiments I did not express.

    If you know what I wrote, why do you keep adding sentiments which aren't there?

    First off, I have not addressed the subject of "Sudanese muslims" one way or the other. Any sentiment towards them or belief about them that you attribute to me is speculation on your part. Do you need this spelt out more clearly?

    Second, the "Uh-oh" in my original post to this thread expresses my fear for Paul Salopek's likely fate. Clear?

    Third, my "Sudan has a very, very bad reputation for justice" expresses my opinion that Mr. Salopek is likely to suffer gross injustice and bodily harm from the Sudanese government and the pro-government forces who abducted him. Capisce?

    Fourth, my "Sudan has a very, very bad reputation for justice" is based on the reports of atrocities committed by the Sudanese government and the pro-government forces. Is that clear?

    Fifth, I believe it is the next, parenthetical part you have the greatest trouble comprehending: "(How did it get this reputation - from journalists)." Note that I did not say, nor intend to imply, that the journalists were not accurate. Do you understand this now?

    Sixth, it is ironic because Mr. Salopek is charged with disseminating "false news", but I very strongly suspect (and I get the impression that most here do) that he was detained for, as Laurie Partridge famously remarked, "spreading vicious truths". Is my position on this clear to you now?


    I did not speak of "muslims" - that is your addition and interpretation. Surely, this is clear by now?

    Again, I did not address the subject of "sudanese muslims". Grasp that?

    Neither did I say what you would or would not know, but how it would be possible for a person to know - add to that that many people here have been missionaries or personally know missionaries. Some missionaries and anti-slavery activists have gone to Sudan and lived to tell the tale when they returned. Do you understand now why I object to your gratuitous insertion of that "only" into my statement, apart from my not having said it?

    I'll take you at your word that you honestly don't understand, but are trying. I hope the above does it for you.

    Is that the royal us? Spelt & respelt, just for you, Wayne.

    NB. Not a single "sic", as tempting as it was.
     
  19. El_Guero

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    Daisy

    Thank you for spelling it out . . . What you wrote makes more sence now . . . But, without your explanation, I would never come up with your interpretation of what you wrote.

    But, that's me . . .

    Wayne
     

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