Republican or third party?

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  1. saturneptune

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    There as been a lot of criticism (from me and others) of George Bush from a conservative standpoint for not fighting the war to win, leadership, the borders, the deficit, etc, etc. There are also a lot of people on here who disagree with me and others who say that any Republican is better than any Democrat and that we should put a clothes pen on our nose and vote for one to keep Hillary or the like win.

    As of the last few days, I feel like maybe I have gotten carried away with the criticizing the Republican party and those who advocate policies that linger our troops in Iraq. However, when I think about Hillary as President, it changes my perspective a little.

    This is my question: Can we who have an intense dislike of Bush and the Republicans at this point in time, from a conservative view, are we doing more damage by voting for a third party we think is right and giving the Democrats an easier time, or should we vote Republican to keep the Democrats out? The Democratic nominee would never be a consideration for me.

    It would be much easier for me if is not Giuliani. I cannot get past abortion. Comments are appreciated.
     
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    Boy, do you ever speak for me.....

    We will do more damage to our party by voting third candidate. And we will also put Hillary in by voting third party. What we need to do is vote for a conservative, to help ourselves out. That would just exclude Romney, & Guliani.

    Bush has frustrated a lot of folks, lets not punish the country in our anger at him.
     
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    If people turn out in force for someone like Guiliani, then it sends the message that social issues don't matter. Once that threshold is passed, the GOP will pay only lipservice to the conservatives, knowing that they'll get the conservative vote either way.
     
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    The way around this is to find a candidate you would rather see in office and speak to people about him and support him any way you can find. as far as the dems winning they are imploding as we speak. they have lsot credibility on ending this war by failing their campaign promises, parading phony soldiers up front to prop up their false accusations.
     
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    Here in Ononadaga County (NY) we have the same exact problem on the local level.
    The Republician Party chose a conservative ( Dale Sweetland) to run for County Executive. A liberal Republician (Joanie) challanged him in the primiary, and won. Prior to the primiary, the Conservative Party endorsed Dale. He will not be on the Republican ticket, but will remain on the Conservative Party line. I will vote for Dale. It is possible that the Democrat (Bill) may end up winning the office due to a split vote. - Bill is much more liberal than Joanie - We did discuss this at our Conservative Party meeting last week. We agreed that we should keep our support for Dale. The bottom line is the Conservtaive Party wants the Republican Party to know that they must work with us. Even if we get an ultra liberal, we must take a stand.
    Will keep you posted. BTW, Since NY law allows a fusion ballot, Bill is also on the Working Familes Party.

    Salty
     
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    If one votes for Republicans just because they are not Democrats, regardless of whether they are truly for limited government, then one will never get limited goverment regardless of how many Republicans get elected to office.

    As long as the Republican Party is rewarded electorally for running big government candidates, then the Republican Party will continue to run big government candidates.

    If one rewards bad behavior, then the bad behavior will continue.
     
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    Yeah sure, like some of us did for Ron Paul. Paul is a good choice for candidate and yet there have been so many here and on other boards trying belittle him and what he has done.

    Never the less, I stand by Ron Paul as I believe he is the best choice.


    Now now... you know this just isn't true. I will agree, they are acting like any other politican. The whole bunch is corrupt and needs to be thrown out, but you can't say that it's just the Democrats. Besides, they have tried to pass laws to limit or end this war, but without the 60% votes to override a veto, there's nothing much more they can do.

    Funny how you can put all this blame on the Democrats and yet the Republicans are just as bad if not, at times worse.

    Also, it didn't take you long to parrot Rush with the 'phony soldiers' comment... Do you have any original thoughts of your own?

    Jamie
     
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    The only way to end the runaway and overreaching GOP machine is to vote for the Democratic candidate, regardless if it is Edwards, Clinton, or even a flying monkey.
     
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    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
     
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    You know, what puzzles me is most of the "anybody but a Democrat" folks on here would be giving us the same arguments in favor of Hillary or Obama if they had an "R" behind their names.

    Tell me, why is a Republican who governs like a liberal Democrat any better than a Democrat who governs like a liberal Democrat?

    At least if Hillary is elected, you'll have enough Republicans in the Senate to stifle the 60 necessary votes to pass anything extremely liberal. If a liberal Republican is elected, you'll have the support of the Dems and Reps in the Senate for their liberal spending policies.

    Now, I don't think I could vote for Hillary if my life depended on it, but really, how much worse would she be than what we have now?
     
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    Btw, I wonder, if by some wild stretch of the imagination Dr. Paul does win the Repub nod, would Sean Hannity all of a sudden come out in support of him and find all sorts of reasons to praise him?

    Hmmmmm.....
     
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    I am NOT one of those individuals who will vote blindly for a Republician - I do my research and check them out. (see my earlier post about our (County Executive) At the moment, I do not have a favorite for President, I am still checking all the candidates.
     
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    Have you ever voted for a Democrat for President? I've voted for two Republicans.
     
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    I've spread my votes around. I have voted in my lifetime, for president - Democrat, Libertarian, Republican, Write-In(Jack Kemp), Constitution Party, Libertarian, Republican, Republican.
     
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    Off hand, I dont think I have ever voted for a Dem Pres, but I have voted for several Dem in local/state races, as well as voting for third party candidates. In the case of a candidate being on more than one line, I will often vote for him on the minor party line.

    Salty
     
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    In your case I agree fully with your Conservative Party's decision. But at the national level I don't think there is enough time left to send this message (voting 3rd party, to alert the GOP), and still be able to recover later. If hillary survives 8 years, the dems will have cemented their hold on Congress till the end of this age. IMO and look who's in charge.......radical leftists...G. Soros and his ilk.
     
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    I'd bet the farm on it. hillary is the enemy....

    And S. Hannity's support for Rudy is largely because of their shared religion...The RCC, IMO
     
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    Me too but I know I've only voted for Republicans so far in the big ones.
     
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    Yes, out of nine elections, two or three. One of the ones was Carter in 1976, which I deeply regreted before the end of the term.
     
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    You mean, all the screaming you are doing about Rudy Giuliani and you voted for Jimmy Carter?
    Look. The single most important issue to me is the radical Islamic threat. Giuliani understands this, I think, better than all the other candidates. Believe me these people are cooking up something real special for us and a democrat in the white house will not stop them. It will make their job much easier. I hate abortion too, but you can make all the laws in the world and it will not change a persons heart on the matter. We as Christains should be telling others about Jesus Christ and the abortion issue will take care of itself.
    THINK. PEOPLE! THINK! Hillary Clinton will be a useful idiot in the hands of the radical Islamists in their quest to finish us off. These people are very patient. They are lying in wait for the right time and just like some of you, they would hate to see Rudy Giuliani in the white house also.
    A third party candidate doesnt have a chance. You know as well as I that any third party conservative will be heavily funded by the Democrats. Like I said on another post, If you dont vote for Giuliani you are voting for Clinton.
     

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