Republican sweep of the election

One can only hope.

Joshua

 

Sounds like great news to me. That sounds like code words for tax cuts and keeping domestic spending from going out of control and building up our national defense.

Thank you George W. Bush.

Yeehaa!

[ November 06, 2002, 10:30 PM: Message edited by: Ken Hamilton ]

 

Abortion will not be ended by politics but by the spread of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

As for defense spending increases, our survival as a nation is at stake.

 

Bro. Penn Jim!

Get you a ticket--win the nomination--win the election and by golly, quit talking like you're mad at the Republicans and Democrats--and get in there and make the changes you so wish to make!! And by golly, if you can't do nothing in the White House--we'll fire you after just 4 short years and we'll get somebody in there that means business!!

Your friend,
Blackbird

 

Are you kidding? The democrats are the ones who love abortions, And set no examples for the next generation.

Sherrie

 

Sherrie, really. "Love abortions?" Spare me. Even NARAL believes that abortions should be rare. Being in favor of legal abortion and being actively pro-abortion are blatantly different things, no matter what the propaganda says.

 

I have yet to see the democrates try to end or even slow down abortion.

 

That's what comprehensive sex education is designed to do.

It's still an incredible stretch to call Democrats abortion loving.

 

And I thought I was cynical about politicians. P.J. has me beat hands down.

While I find it highly desirable to have a good government filled with God-fearing men, I am not going to lose sleep if it isn't. Because no matter what they do they can't stop the promise of Christ.

 

I have one question about NARAL that you may be able to answer. Would they be for or against educating expentant mothers on alternative options to abortion, such as adoption, in crisis centers?

This is a serious question by the way.

 

I really dread the next four years in Illinois goverment.

We now have a Governor-elect and an Attorney General - elect who are entrenched in the Illinois (really Chicago) Democratic Machine.

The state will be run by the Chicago Dems and the rest of the state will have little to no voice in the state goverment. How could the people of Illinois be so ignorent as to elect these people.

Obviously I didn't vote for either one of them.

Bill

 

I've not seen the republicans do this either.

 

I'd say it depends on the kind of center. But generally, yes. Pro-choice organizations do not favor abortion as the ideal. Most teach about comprehensive sex education and reproductive choice (which, contrary to popular opinion, is not solely about abortion). Their goal isn't to get women to have abortions, only to keep abortion legal, safe and increasingly rare.

However, they do not support "bait and switch" crisis centers (nor should anyone, IMNSHO). And there are many centers out there that use very vague language in order to get young women considering abortion to come in so they can show them videos of aborted fetuses. A friend of mine was held against her will (locked into a room with one of the aforesaid videos playing) in one of these so-called crisis centers for two hours. Those are the things NARAL and others (like Planned Parenthood) don't support. But legitimate crisis centers who fairly present all the legal options? Sure.

I know this has been off-topic, but I did want to answer publically.

About NARAL Although some of the statements about "the right to abortion" would be contested here, this page gives the low down on their position. One key quote: "The fact is, the need for abortion will never go away until we, as a country, can achieve two of NARAL's goals: better access to more effective contraceptive options and better access to other kinds of reproductive health care and information." Again, many will contest that statement on its merits, but it does show that the organization is not actively pro-abortion (i.e. encouraging abortion as the best option).

 

I am blown away, I have been reading posts here by baptists who seem to be pro choice and pro democrat. I will never cease to be amazed at this board. When bill clinton ran the first time my son was in the third grade, he came hom saying that their class was having an election and asked who I was voting for. I said that I could not vote for clinton because he approved of killing babies, his responce was one of disbelief and he said "are you lying" sadly I was not. It would be great if we would all turn every thing over to God and let Him choose just as a little child will, if they don't get murdered before they are born that is.
Murph

 

I'm sure I'm not the only one at whom your post was directed, but . . . .

Who said anything about pro-abortion? Knowing the arguments and agreeing with them are very different. However, since you brought it up, I have yet to find a convincing secular argument against abortion. And a Biblical argument doesn't work in matters of politics and government. But I understand the legal reasoning, and am able to fairly decently articulate it, so why not do so?

But as for pro-Democrat -- why be surprised? Party affiliation is not mentioned in any doctrinal statement I've ever read. Although, given the hostility shown around here for Democrats and those who vote for them, I can see how anyone might be surprised that a BB member would brave the masses to say they they voted for Democrats.

Generally, I try to stay out of the "my party's better than yours" game. And although I'm not a Democrat, I was one for years. If I have enough knowledge about an issue, I will jump to correct statements that are blatantly slanderous. If I can ever do it for Republicans, I'll do so.

Fortunately or unfortunately, I have a background in sex education, and know a little more in that arena than I do about who said what about whom or who tampered with which vote box or whose Senator slept with whose wife.

All that said, I'll vote for the candidate whose policies and platforms allow for the most freedom for the citizens. Do what you will, but don't hit anybody's nose when you do it. Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans embody that political philosophy.

 

Kelly, Thanks for the response

I read the about page and while their intentions sound noble, "Our goal at NARAL is to help find workable answers that will ultimately reduce the need for abortions," in practice they may come across as extremist with an 'abortion and only abortion' type stance. I say this because of negative press I've read about NARAL, but it could be true for any special interest group.

Anyway, I don't think abolishing abortion is one of the goals of this administration. I doubt we will see a President to seriously challenge it anytime soon, either. Right now, education is the only avenue to lower abortions. Abstinence should be taught in sex education as a viable alternative, and expectant mothers should be given all options in counseling.

I don't see the Republican party as a whole doing much about abortion, either.

I am Pro-Life just in case anyone is wondering.

 

Hmm . . . that's interesting. I've done work with them, both individually and through Planned Parenthood, and have generally found few extremists. 'Course, I also read very different news than most people on this board, which may account why why I don't see much of the bad press they get.

Anyway, glad we could have this brief chat, pdp.