Republicans and Abortion

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  1. JustChristian

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    They do a lot of talking and accomplish nothing. It gives them an opportunity to feel morally and spiritually superior to Democrats but they save very, very few babies. Since they only focus on abortion they cause many deaths due to their support of unjust wars.
     
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    JC,

    Saddam Hussein had to go and that was the consensus of the last Democrat President. Al Gore would have had (although after a major US city may have had to be lost) gone into Iraq too. Barak Hussein Obama will not leave Iraq even if he does 2 terms.

    In regards to abortion, Mr. Bush had turned the tide in that Federal funding of abortion was banned by executive order.

    Yes it does. :godisgood:
     
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    You conveniently ignore that the majority of democrats in Congress voted for the war in Iraq. Also if Republicans save one baby's life that is more than democrats have done. Frankly the democrat party is morally and spiritually bankrupt. They support:

    1. Murder of unborn children.

    2. Homosexual marriage.
     
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    You conveniently ignore that the majority of democrats in Congress voted for the war in Iraq. Also if Republicans save one baby's life that is more than democrats have done. Frankly the democrat party is morally and spiritually bankrupt. They support:

    1. Murder of unborn children.

    2. Homosexual marriage.
     
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    How many "unjust" wars do the Democrats have under their belt???
     
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    If democrats start a war it is by definition a just war!:thumbs:
     
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    Yea, like Clinton in Kosovo. Hey, wait a minute, we were suppose to be out of there before Christmas of '99!!! Guess what, we are still there!! Unconstitutional? I'd say so!

    Link Here, U.S. Troops To Remain In Kosovo 1 Year
     
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    I disagree that federal funding of abortion was stopped by George Bush. Do you have support for that statement?
     
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    The topic is what have Republicans done to stop murder of innocent unborn children in 20 years. Is it consistent with their rhetoric? All I know they've done is to stop 0.17% of total abortions. That leaves 99.83% murdered. Is that good enough for you? If so, why?
     
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    I can spell the big one like this

    V-I-E-T-N-A-M
     
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    This seems to be more of a political discussion than a Baptist discussion.
     
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    Enactment of Pro-Life Legislation



    Although the reversal of Roe is in the hands of the USSC, the President has the power to sign and enact incremental legislation implicating abortion, biotechnology, and other life issues. For example, President Bush has signed the following pro-life bills into law:

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    Born Alive Infant Protection Act, signed August 5, 2002
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    Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act, signed November 3, 2003
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    Unborn Victims of Violence Act, signed April 1, 2004
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    Hyde-Weldon Amendment, signed December 8, 2004
     
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    Obama to Enforce Taxpayer-Funded Embryo Research, Abortion Abroad by Executive Order:mad:

    WASHINGTON, D.C. (LifeSiteNews) - Upon entry into the Oval Office in January, President-Elect Obama intends to sweep the new administration clean of President Bush's pro-life policies by executive order. The president-elect intends to reverse trademark Bush-era policies including the ban on federal funding for embryonic stem-cell (ESC) research, and the ban on funding for overseas family-planning programs that offer or promote abortions.

    John Podesta, Obama's administration chief, told the Associated Press that Obama will act quickly through executive order because he thinks Obama "feels like he has a real mandate for change. We need to get off the course that the Bush administration has set."
     
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    Appointment of Federal Judges



    Before an abortion or life-related case ever reaches the USSC, it often has to pass through the lower federal district and appellate courts. Although many people never hear about an abortion or life-related case until it reaches the USSC, it is important to realize that such cases are constantly and continuously passing though the federal district and appellate courts. Overturning or upholding abortion and life-related laws more often rests in the hands of lower court federal judges rather than in the hands of USSC justices. It is also up to these judges to interpret abortion and other life-related laws arising within their jurisdictions. The decisions of federal judges in these cases also establish important case precedent, which serves as guidelines for future court decisions (both within their jurisdiction and elsewhere). Thus, the success of the pro-life movement depends greatly on the careful selection and appointment of federal district and appellate court judges by the President.
     
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    Congress Approves Broad Shield to Protect Pro-Life Health Care Providers



    WASHINGTON (December 6, 2004) - - Both houses of Congress have approved enactment of a new law that will provide broad federal protection for health care providers, including hospitals and insurers, who choose not to participate in abortion.

    The new law, known as the Hyde-Weldon Amendment, will become effective when President Bush receives and signs a massive federal spending bill in which the pro-life provision is contained. That is expected to happen by December 8.

    The Hyde-Weldon Amendment provides that no federal, state, or local government agency or program that receives federal health and human services funds may discriminate against a health care provider because the provider refuses to provide, pay for, provide coverage of, or refer for abortion.
     
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    Issuance of Executive Orders that Protect Life



    The President can issue life-affirming executive orders to the various offices of the executive branch. For example, in August 2001 and again in April 2007, President Bush issued an executive order prohibiting the use of federal funds for destructive embryonic stem cell research. He has also issued an order for the formation of the President's Council on Bioethics to monitor stem cell research and recommend guidelines and regulations regarding legal and ethical issues present in emerging biotechnologies.



    Conversely, the President can issue executive orders that endanger human life. On the 20th anniversary of Roe v. Wade (and his 4th day as President), President Clinton issued a series of executive orders overturning a significant number of existing pro-life policies.8 Under the Clinton Administration, millions of American tax dollars were used to fund abortion, abortion referrals, coerced abortions, and involuntary sterilization. President G.W. Bush issued executive orders reinstating these pro-life policies in full.



    The use of executive orders by President Clinton to endanger life, and President G.W. Bush's use of executive orders to protect life further demonstrate how the President can utilize his position to stifle or further the cause for life.
     
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    These are all good but limited in their scope.

    Although the reversal of Roe is in the hands of the USSC, the President has the power to sign and enact incremental legislation implicating abortion, biotechnology, and other life issues. For example, President Bush has signed the following pro-life bills into law:
    • Born Alive Infant Protection Act, signed August 5, 2002
    • Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act, signed November 3, 2003

    To my knowledge, these make partial birth abortion illegal. This is what I was referring to as constituting 0.17% of all abortions.

    • Unborn Victims of Violence Act, signed April 1, 2004
    This means that if a pregnant woman is assaulted resulting in the death of her unborn baby, the perpetrator would be charged with murder. I might be wrong but I doubt that this has resulted in many convictions. Let me know if you have the statistics.

    • Hyde-Weldon Amendment, signed December 8, 2004

    The Hyde-Weldon Amendment (2004): Protects the rights of conscience of healthcare providers. The Amendment prohibits programs that receive federal funds from discriminating against healthcare providers who refuse to provide, pay for, provide coverage for, or refer for abortions. A good idea but did this result in a significant reduction in the number of abortions?


    Basically, what you have posted supports my point. Republicans appear to be pro-life but have really done very little about reducing the number of abortions.

    This is a good source I've found for abortion statistics:

    http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html

    What I conclude from the graph (you have to work the numbers) is that the number of abortions for women 15-44 has been going down since 1981. I think the initial rise was just due to women understanding the impact of Roe vs, Wade and that legal abortions were available. I make three interesting observations:

    1) The number of abortions remained relatively unchanged during the GHW Bush presidency,

    2) The number of abortions went down more rapidly under President Clinton than under either of the two Bushes,

    3) The decrease has slowed down under President George W. Bush.

    From all this I would claim that the number of abortions performed is much more related to other factors such as the economy than it is to all the political rhetoric of the Republican party.
     
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    It's a parallel to the one about liberals and abortion. They could easily both be moved into the Politics section.
     
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    If the party of death, (democrats) and their ilk would go along with the Republicans, Roe Vs. Wade would be history...
    But Dems try to block every SC Justice that is pro-life.

    It is clearly the Democrats that have brought on this putrid stink of death on our country. Democrats are Pro-Choice and proud of it.. it is in their platform.. .Republicans are Pro-Life...

    Blame Republicans all you want.. but everytime we try to destroy Roe v Wade a Democrat murderer steps in and blocks it...

    My advice...

    2 Corinthians 6:14-18
    (14) Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
    (15) And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
    (16) And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
    (17) Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,
    (18) And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


    If you want to continue to support a party that is pro choice, you have blood on your hands!

    Sorry if that cuts.. .but if you support murderers, you are an accomplice to murder...

    Since abortion is murder, and the dems support it, then if you are a democrat you are an accomplice.
     
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    You don't know how many babies have been killed by Partial Birth Abortion. In testimony before Congress it was proven that abortionists lied about the number of such procedures so your number is as fictitious as your rationale for supporting the murder of unborn children.

    You profess to be an engineer with 34 years of experience and know numbers. From what I have read from you on this forum you are adept at what we called semantic engineering at the facility where I worked. That is you can cleverly manipulate words but in reality you are like the one described by the Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 13:1 [NKJV].

    1. Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.

    Finally I call your attention to the following Scripture:

    Proverbs 6:16-19
    16. These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
    17. A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
    18. An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
    19. A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
     

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