Republicans have told me ...............

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  1. Crabtownboy

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    Interesting. I prayerfully hope that nobody tries anything.
     
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    Fascists are left-wingers--socialists--so your logic is illogical.
     
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    Sorry, but you do not know what you are talking about.

    From Google search:

    Fascism

    1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

    From Wikipedia:

    1. Right Wing: Fascists are fervently against: Marxism, Socialism, Anarchism, Communism, Environmentalism; etc – in essence, they are against the progressive left in total, including moderate lefts (social democrats, etc). Fascism is an extreme right wing ideology, though it can be opportunistic.
     
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    Wonder what his defense will now be?
     
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    No, the definition of "fascist" varies depending on who you ask, but I generally consider it to be a marriage between government and business. The definition you gave is the Marxist one - from your own source and under the header of "marxist definitions of fascism"

    ...The Encyclopedia of Marxism defines fascism as "right-wing, fiercely nationalist, subjectivist in philosophy, and totalitarian in practice", and identifies it as "an extreme reactionary form of capitalist government."[38] It lists nine fundamental characteristics of fascism:...

    This the definition of fascism (same source) non-communists usually use:

    According to most scholars of fascism, there are both left and right influences on fascism as a social movement, and fascism, especially once in power, has historically attacked communism, conservatism and liberalism, attracting support primarily from what in a classical sense is called the "far right" or "extreme right." Fascists are generally strongly anti-capitalist subordinating individual rights, profit and property rights to the State.
     
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    Lol, neither side wants to claim fascism. I mean, who would?

    The thing is fascism was a European -ism, and in Europe right-wing means nationalist. In the US, the vast majority of both Dems and Reps were pretty patriotic/nationalist until very recently.

    So you have the Nazis, very nationalist but also advocating extreme left-wing positions. It was National Socialism, after all.
     
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    Fascism, political ideology and mass movement that dominated many parts of central, southern, and eastern Europe between 1919 and 1945 and that also had adherents in western Europe, the United States, South Africa, Japan, Latin America, and the Middle East. Europe’s first fascist leader, Benito Mussolini, took the name of his party from the Latin word fasces, which referred to a bundle of elm or birch rods (usually containing an ax) used as a symbol of penal authority in ancient Rome. Although fascist parties and movements differed significantly from each other, they had many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural liberalism, a belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites, and the desire to create aVolksgemeinschaft (German: “people’s community”), in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation. At the end of World War II, the major European fascist parties were broken up, and in some countries (such as Italy and West Germany) they were officially banned. Beginning in the late 1940s, however, many fascist-oriented parties and movements were founded in Europe as well as in Latin America and South Africa. Although some European “neofascist” groups attracted large followings, especially in Italy and France, none were as influential as the major fascist parties of the interwar period.


    http://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism
     
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    Liberals and even most of those who consider themselves Marxists are guilty of using the world fascist very loosely today. They fling it around as an epithet or political swearword against right-wing figures whom they particularly despise, or against reactionaries in general.


    https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1944/1944-fas.htm
     
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    But not nearly as much as you throw the word liberal around. Of course anything that does not suit your views you consider liberal. Hmmmm, very liberal of you. Even your GOP young millennials say they are afraid of Trump.

    Millennials reject Donald Trump in new poll | MSNBC
    www.msnbc.com/msnbc/millennials-reject-donald-trump-new-poll

    Generation gap emerges in GOP as millennials give Donald Trump cold shoulder
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/mar/1/donald-trump-rejected-by-conservative-millennials/

    Conservative Millennials Are Terrified of Donald Trump
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...d-of-donald-trump_us_56d9d90fe4b0ffe6f8e942a8

     
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    Why would I care if they do not like Trump
     
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    If you had any concern about this country and the country your kids and grandchildren will inherit you would be very concerned. Trump does not believe in our basic freedoms and would do away with them if possible.

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    Mussolini and Juan Peron were socialists as were Hitler and Stalin. Fascism, nazism and communism are all alike--and all of them murdered Jews.
     
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    Thanks for proving what the poster above says.
     
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    Do you seriously believe that Trump is a socialist such as Bernie Sanders?
     
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    Wrong question? I think Trump has dictatorial tendencies and would love to be the dictator. Look at his words. He does not believe in the basic freedoms laid out in the Bill of 'Rights. He is a right-wing fascist at heart.
     
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    You have me confused because a fascist is a socialist like Juan Peron, and the Peronists have allowed the Iranians to murder Jews in Argentina, as you know. And the new Pope is a Peronist and hangs out with communists like the Castros, who murdered at least 15,000 and took ownership of all their country.

    And Bernie, who advocates white socialism like they have in Minnesota--not brown socialism like Latin America, spent his honeymoon in the unromantic gulag called the USSR. Also, Bernie spent time in a Stalinist kibbutz in Israel, as you know.

    But you probably pay more attention to Trump than I do, as I oppose gambling. Do you think that Trump can defeat Democrat Hill of Leavenworth?
     
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    No, socialism and fascism are not the same. A socialist would not necessarily approve of fascists actions and believing in a dictator. There is democratic socialism. There is no democratic fascism; that is an impossibility. Socialism is concerned with the welfare of everyone. You, I or anyone may or may not agree with the methods advocated by socialists to achieve their aim. Facsist are concerned about only one group, their group. Those who do not fit that mold are lessens and have no real rights.

    Fascism is a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power,forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism,regimenting all industry, commerce and all aspects of life. This is very different from Socialism.
     
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    Socialism is not concerned with the welfare of everyone. Socialism is concerned with governmental control. Mussolini and Peron and Pope Francis are all fascists and each of them was only concerned with his power base, as you suggest, and each of them was socialistic.

    Fascism is socialistic; nazism is socialistic; communism is socialistic; and Jewish Bernie Sanders is socialistic and honeymooned in the USSR and interned at a Stalinist kibbutz, a socialistic farm, in Israel, as you know.

    I think that you want another word to describe Trump. How about ex-Democrat?
     
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