Requirements for guests at PCC

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  1. TaterTot

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    All teachers at the private school I teach at are required to attend a summer seminar at Pensacola Christian College (we teach the Abeka curriculum that comes from there). I was informed that female teachers will be required to wear dresses or skirts at all times on campus (we will be staying there in the dorms). I know that is their school policy and that is fine for them to dictate that for their students. I am somewhat offended, however, to have that requirement placed upon me as a visitor there, although I will comply.

    I know the pants issue is a hot one, and I dont intend for this thread to go there, but I am curious to know thoughts on this matter. Is it wrong for an entity to enforce codes like that on guests who are paying their own way?
     
  2. StefanM

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    As odd as it feels for me to say this...

    I think that they have the right to enforce a dress code. It at least shows consistency.

    I disagree with their policies 100%, but PCC is not forcing anyone to go to the seminar. Your school is, unfortunately, but I guess you can't do much about that.

    As far as being a paying guest goes...the student are also "paying guests" in a longer-term sense. They can still choose not to come to PCC.
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    Disclaimer: I am in no way sympathetic to many of the policies of PCC and/or Abeka.
     
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    Is this the same college that Peter Ruckman is associated with? Or am I thinking wrong?

    And no, I am not trying to start anything, I am just curious.

    I have been looking for some good Christian colleges to suggest to juniors.

    Why did your school choose PCC to attend the seminar?
    Isn't there other seminars?
     
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    I personally think it is wrong.

    However, it does show consistency as was pointed out. I guess in the end there is nothing that can be done about it other than just go and do as they ask. We are to submit to the authorities that are over us, even if we do not agree with it.

    I guess you could be a rebel and wear pants. :saint:
     
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    My school chose to go b/c PCC is the headquarters for Abeka stuff. They host this kind of seminar for all schools that use their curriculum. There is no other to choose from, lol.

    I guess I can see your points on consistency. It just aggravated me I guess. We are told it will be such a spiritually refreshing time, but we may only use our KJV's and be in skirts lol.
     
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    Tiny Tim --

    Pensacola Christian College is not affiliated with the school that's run by Peter Ruckman!

    Other than being in the same city, I doubt that either PCC or Ruckman's school would claim very many similarities with the other school.

    On an issue more related to the OP, I was wondering if PCC has any dress code policy regarding visitors to the PCC campus? I have a friend who is on the PCC faculty that I am considering visiting and perhaps touring the campus with him (possibly sitting in on one of his classes). Do any of you know if PCC has a dress code for mere visitors on campus (i.e., adults who aren't necessarily prospective students)?
     
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    I feel for you! I do not plan ever to set one foot on PCC's campus.
     
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    While I completely disagree with PCC trying to force their "standards" down your throat, especially after seminar hours during freetime on the campus, I would either go and suffer in the skirt, or refuse to attend period.

    Here's why:

    1. At least they aren't guilty of having a double standard--one for summer and one during school months. It's hard to train young people to follow the rules, even stupid ones, when you let other people on campus break them.

    2. In my home I do not like guest using certain words, especially in front of my children. While those words may or may not be swearing, they do not represent a good model of speech that I prefer to hear. I can't control anyone's language but my own, but I can control what I decide to listen to and what my children are allowed to repeat.

    I think it's similar in your situation. Thankfully, PCC can't control everything we wear, but if they prefer to live in a sterile bubble, that's their choice and their property.
     
  10. TaterTot

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    I am very sure our schools administration will not consider another curriculum. And I had never planned on setting foot there either lol.

    It seems I read on their website (maybe) that visitors may wear what they like, but the school reserves the right to probihit entrance to anyone.

    I didnt know even the issues associated with Abeka until after I began teaching at the present school. I like alot of what they do, but there is not much freedom granted within the curriculum, nor in the policies of the school.

    I will go and I am sure we will have fun in our skirts. I have nothing against the wearing of skirts and enjoy wearing them, but I dont like being made to feel sub-spiritual.

    We dont disctate at church what one must and must not wear. We will let just about anyone come in. But you all do make some good points. I guess they do have that right to set the standards and enforce them.
     
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    Every place and country has certain dress standards that they feel are appropriate. If you went to certain countries and dressed the same way you do here you would be seen as inappropriate.

    The real problem I have is when churches or people make others feel low when the person cannot afford much and the critic does not offer to help.

    There was a time when prostitutes wore things which are considered appropriate in churches today.
     
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    Tater,

    I understand it makes you uncomfortable, but don't forget they're not a church. So it's a bit different. We can't really compare the fact that we can attend our church and not have standards imposed with the idea of attending a conference at a college and have standards imposed on the delegates.



    I imagine that a "mere visitor" as someone mentioned, would be allowed on campus without having such standards imposed. I figure the idea that they reserve the right to refuse admittance to someone would be used in cases where the person is really dressed completely inappropriately. Remember, they are in Florida, and in a big beach town. So there's all sorts of "dress issues" that they have to deal with there all over town for their students. Know what I mean?
     
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    Thank you, I wonder how many others make this mistake.
    I have not suggested them to Juniors for this very reason.
     
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    Um, you're not really a visitor there. You are there for a seminar. If you don't like it, then don't go.

    PCC, or anyplace, has the right to tell people what they expect when they come.

    The next thing you know, they might expect you to show up on time to seminars. How dare they infringe upon the use of your time when you are on their campus.
     
  15. TaterTot

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    Now Pastor Larry, no need to get huffy wiff Tater. I cant choose not to go. But surely I am free to have my own thoughts about it. As I said, I will comply with their regulations. Like Spanky on the Little Rascals said about the oatmeal made of plaster, "I'll eat it but I wont like it!"
     
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    Frankly, I wouldn't have an issue with anyone imposing a dress code on me (I'd wear a tux if that is their rule), but I am profoundly offended by their attempted control of the translation of the Bible that I can use. I have all due appreciation for the KJV, but to demand that translation over all the other quality translations is ridiculous and smacks of an obsessive need for control.

    If I were forced to go, I'd get a reprint of a real 1611 King James (not those godless revisions like the 1769!) and be the first to volunteer to read aloud in the meetings. If I really wanted to make a point about the foolishness of the KJVO position, I'd take copies of the Masoratic text and the Textus Receptus, and let them make an issue of it.

    But then I'm known for making trouble over the false idols of Christianity. :laugh:

    EDIT: Here's the link to a scan of a 1611 KJV Bible if you want to print and bind it.
     
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    I agree with Baptist Believer--the KJV issue is stepping too far, IMO.

    Are they forbidding you from even having a modern version on campus? Or is it just for public presentations/assignments?
     
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    Baptist Believer,

    and since they are an independent institution and not subject to your approval, it would be rude and offensive of you to act in such a manner. So it would be you who was wrong in bringing that sort of an issue up in a conference that is an attempt to help those who are (voluntarily) using their own curriculum, and has nothing to do with what version of the Bible they are using.
     
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    dont forget the Apocrypha, lol.

    It just seems to me that this branch of Christianity demands more of a rules driven life. At our (SBC) school, we have lots of IFB folks, some who only wear skirts and are KJVO. So our administration makes us all use KJV and nothing else, so as not to offend. I just dont see why it cant go both ways. SeEems people of that persuasion expect certain treatment, and they get it.
     
  20. TaterTot

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    Their curriculum has everything to do with that version.
     

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