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Requirements for guests at PCC

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by TaterTot, Mar 30, 2007.

  1. abcgrad94

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    I've been thinking about this issue and this thread all weekend. Bapmom, I appreciate your attitude and discussion about Christian liberty. I think deep down most of us ladies feel the same way, it's just that the pants issue has become a hot button because it's been shoved down our throats with a holier-than-thou approach.

    Even the grocery store has a "no shirt, no shoes, no service sign" and I don't get offended because I can't go barefoot there (although I'd like to.) :laugh: Yet, when the pants opinions come up, I see red. I think alot of the controversy is more in how the viewpoint is presented.

    Anyway, thanks for your rational dialogue.
     
  2. tinytim

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    Bapmom is one of the few that can defend her position without making the other side see red...

    I disagree with her on her position, but she is very respectful, and I fully believe she doesn't look down her nose at others that disagree with her over any issue.

    OK... that is enough Bapmom praise (although she deserves it, more Christians should take lessons from her on how to be respectful)
     
  3. bapmom

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    aww, now Im embarrassed.....but thank you. Im glad we could have this nice of a discussion too!

    :1_grouphug:
     
  4. TaterTot

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    aw, Bapmom (hug hug). Aint warm fuzzies great? :) And also I think it takes alot of guts to defend a position when you are the only one doing so as well. I know you arent the only one of that opinion around here, but they sure didnt jump in. You're a dear! :)
     
  5. tinytim

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    Bapmom, I have a question....
    Do you wear dresses/skirts/etc all the time or just to church?

    The reason I am asking, is I have always found it strange to hear women say that it is a sin to wear pants to church but not home...
    To me, if you see it as a sin, it should be a sin everywhere... you know a matter of consistancy...

    Sorta like something a kid said to me once... "It is wrong to lie in church"
    I reminded him it is wrong to lie anywhere...

    So what are your views on this?
     
  6. amity

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    Sorry to interject. Living in a country where many people seem to have no idea of how to dress, I almost wish there was a universal dress code enforced everywhere. I know I am an old fogey, but there was a time where going around with one's undergarments exposed would have brought police attention. I am thinking of going to Saudi Arabia, and I expect I will be quite comfortable with the dress code enforced there! So far as PCC, yes I applaud them for setting some standards. They likely are trying to avoid whale tails on campus, and that is allright with me. Most attendees would probably wear very modest pants, if pants were allowed to be worn. But perhaps they fear that some would not. Do they also have a length requirement for skirts?

    Myself I wear dresses almost exclusively, in part because it is very difficult to find pants that fit, so I have given up trying. But I would like to tell women how much more comfortable skirts are, and I feel sorry for you poor guys who have to go through life with rough, damp fabric wrapped tightly around your thighs. I hate that feeling.
     
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  7. TaterTot

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    I was told today by someone who attended this same conference at PCC a few years ago that she (as a guest) was not allowed to ride an elevator alone with a male. I dont know how that is enforced, but I guess I will find out lol. Oh, and cell phones have to be left in cars at all times.

    (oh, and since its MY thread, even though there was an attempted hijacking, I will still speak to the rabbit being chased, lol...pants are more comfortable to me, esp if they are pleated and a little baggy, lol.)
     
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  8. bapmom

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    well, the answer to this would go to the reason we wear dresses. The whole issue is really one of modesty. So I can look at my apparel and realize that I am allowed to be more "immodest" around certain persons (my husband), but in public before anyone else I need to be as modest as I can be. In my estimation, dresses cover me more, do not follow the form, etc, and so reach that further line of modesty that I need to attain when in public.

    In order to be consistent here, Id say to such ladies that IF it's a sin to wear pants to church than it's also a sin to wear them to the grocery store. (Im not so sure this rises to the level of sin, though) I do see a difference though between outside in public and inside in private. We wear all sorts of things in private that would be completely inappropriate in a public arena.

    There's varying degrees to this standard as well....and some can get real legalistic about it as Im sure you are well aware. I'll wear leggings or something under my skirt to keep warm in really frigid weather.......and I know some would just be aghast at that.

    sorry to hijack still, Tater. Thanks for bearing with us! :wavey:
     
  9. TaterTot

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    nah, carry on :saint:
     
  10. Baptist Believer

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    Which is exactly why my wife rarely wears a skirt or dress and almost always wears slacks. She is short and skirts and dresses must necessarily be short for her to wear them. On a windy day (which we have many of in Texas), dresses and skirts tend to reveal much more than slacks.

    Furthermore, she is a professional musician with a specialty (and degree) in classical guitar performance. Those who know anything about classical guitar know that it is played seated, with one foot on a footstool, usually on an elevated platform. If she wore a skirt, most of the audience would be looking directly up her skirt.

    Therefore, the wearing of slacks, at least for some women, is much more modest than a skirt or dress would ever be.

    And regarding the KJVO issue, don't you think that asked a person who is not of the KJVO conviction to pretend to believe that modern versions are less accurate/inspired than the KJV is asking them to betray their conscience to make the KJVO-people feel more secure in their beliefs? What is it about many KJVO-people that makes them excessively intolerant of those who do not share every aspect of their belief system? (I'm not talking about you, bapmom... you have been kind, patient and tolerant.)
     
  11. tinytim

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    Thanks Bapmom... I knew you were consistant. That shows you at least have thought it through logically, and that is one reason why I respect and like you.

    Sorry tater.
     
  12. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Guests can use any elevator - I have been there, and done so - alone with my wife and they did not check for our marriage licence.


    Even students can keep their mobile phones on their persons now - as of about 3 years ago.

    I used a mobile phone openly, right in front of a security guard, and nothing happened. My daughter, a student, did as well.

    PCC is not my favourite place, but lets be fair and accurate when we discuss it.

    I suspect that you will be pleasantly surprised after your visit.
     
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  13. TaterTot

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    Thanks for the correction. The person who told me those things was there 3 years ago, so maybe things have changed. I did see on a website affiliated with the school that phones must be left in cars, tho.
     
  14. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    The site erred - my daughter had her phone with her in her room either the last or last two years she was there. I even rang her and got through during the peak of Hurricane Ivan.

    Course - phones were prohibited in class :)
     
  15. TaterTot

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    I am glad to know that and have no problem admitting that I stand (or sit) corrected. I dont want to make it into something its not.
     
  16. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    I have several probs with PCC - and really don't want any of the rest of my children to go there - I just hope we can be honest about them.

    I think you will enjoy your trip. They folks are very hospitable. After all, they have a "product" to sell.
     
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    Hopefully that is a well prepared student instead of just a school.
     
  18. tinytim

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    I think he was referring to abeka.
     
  19. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    I knew about an hour after I posted that statement that it would cause problems.

    I did not mean to be critical at all, just that they want students like every other school. The believe in their heart that they have the best any school has to offer, so they are going to put on the best face and not turn visitors off with a harsh, legalistic attitude toward them
     
  20. bapmom

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    I finally figured out how to express what struck me about this post.......

    First off, it seems odd that a short woman would find it difficult to find modest dresses.....being short means you'd find it easier to wear more skirts which would be too short on the taller women. I know this because Im really short also. Ive heard tall ladies express difficulty in finding anything long enough.....but never have I heard a short lady say this.

    Second, we've gotta remember that us ladies are not stuck with just one model of dress/skirt. There are varying lengths and patterns. Every skirt and dress I own would pass the "platform test". I could sit up on a high stool, guitar strap and all, on an elevated platform, and no one would be able to see a thing that they ought not see. (and I don't make my own clothes.)
    Ladies are notorious for having to have the right outfit for each occasion. We ought to be able to discern whether our outfit would be modest up on a platform or not, and change accordingly. I know I have.
    Now, if you both have no problem with pants on women.....that's your standard and I wouldn't get into your business. But let's be honest with ourselves about why. You don't have to make excuses for it. It leaves your arguments open to reasonable questioning.

    As to your part about the KJV issue........they aren't asking the delegates to pretend anything. They are asking them to only bring a specific version to the sessions since that is the one that will be used from the platform. The delegates individual viewpoints on version use are between them and God.
     
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